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To: Confederate_Son; toddst; swarthyguy; lavaroise
Here are some Chinese stealth designs, and one indian one. The main point ot note is that the Chinese design in particular is slated to be dropped well after the Raptors are flying, meaning that it might be carrying technology that was not avaliable to the Raptor (the Raptor stemmed from the ATF project, which begun in 1983..yep '83).

In June 2001, India was offered 'joint development and production' of a new 5th generation fighter by Russia. Russia has been trying to sell this concept both to China and India for some time, but this time it was made directly to India's Defense Minister. The new fighter will 'counter' America's second 5th gen Joint Strike Fighter [JSF] which too is undergoing flight testing.

The plane we are talking about is Russia's Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (PAK FA), which means 'Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces' : (Russian Name=Wierd Name). It is intended to be the same size as the US JSF but have a mission profile closer to the F-22 Raptor, with air superiority being the primary mission and ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary. Also similar to the JSF, the cost is expected to be about $30 million each. Even the deadlines assumed by the Russians are directly related to the date of entering JSF into the market Enjoy:

The Chinese J-10 stealth

And now the Indian MCA


74 posted on 06/06/2002 9:07:18 AM PDT by spetznaz
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Sorry guys, for post 74 i meant to say 'the J-12 stealth' for the Chinese fighter.... not the J-10. The J-10 may be a fifth generation fighter for the Chinese, but it is definitely NOT stealth. However the J-12 concept is stealthy (and maybe i am wrong but it looks very much like a medley of the F-22 and the JSF from Lockheed. Or maybe its just me.... probably clinton gave them some 'help' with that too).
92 posted on 06/06/2002 3:45:39 PM PDT by spetznaz
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Sorry guys, for post 74 i meant to say 'the J-12 stealth' for the Chinese fighter.... not the J-10. The J-10 may be a fifth generation fighter for the Chinese, but it is definitely NOT stealth. However the J-12 concept is stealthy (and maybe i am wrong but it looks very much like a medley of the F-22 and the JSF from Lockheed. Or maybe its just me.... probably clinton gave them some 'help' with that too).
93 posted on 06/06/2002 3:45:52 PM PDT by spetznaz
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