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U.S. Will Seek to Fingerprint (Muslim and Middle Eastern) Visas' Holders
New York Times ^ | 6/05/02 | ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 06/04/2002 11:12:18 PM PDT by kattracks


WASHINGTON, June 4 — The Justice Department will propose new regulations this week requiring tens of thousands of Muslim and Middle Eastern visa holders to register with the government and be fingerprinted, administration officials said today.

The initiative, the subject of intense debate within the administration, is designed for "individuals from countries who pose the highest risk to our security," including most visa holders from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other Muslim nations, officials said. More than 100,000 foreigners, including students, workers, researchers and tourists, all foreigners from designated countries who do not hold green cards, would probably be covered by the plan, an official said.

Antiterrorism teams made up of federal, state and local officers that have been formed in most larger cities since the Sept. 11 attacks would help immigration officials register visa holders already living here, using procedures similar to those employed to find 5,000 mainly Middle Eastern men who were sought for interviews after the attacks.

New arrivals from the designated countries would be fingerprinted at airports or seaports and be required to register with the Immigration and Naturalization Service after 30 days in the country, officials said.

Violators could be fined, refused re-entry into the United States or possibly deported, officials said.

The plan will be published in the Federal Register. After a comment period, it will become a Justice Department regulation.

The proposal ignited a raging debate in the Bush administration. White House officials supported the Justice proposal, but the State Department lodged objections, fearing diplomatic repercussions with allies in the war on terror, administration officials said.

A Justice Department spokeswoman, Susan Dryden, declined to comment on the proposal.

Immigration specialists, meantime, are warning of new backlogs at airports if already understaffed immigration service inspectors are required to fingerprint and process a new category of visitors.

But some civil liberties and Arab-American groups expressed outrage at the proposed requirements, arguing that such a policy was a blatant example of racial and ethnic profiling.

"What's the logic of this?" said Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "Anyone who's truly dangerous is not going to show up to be registered."

James J. Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, a policy organization, said the registration plan would be "an overtly discriminatory, inefficient and ineffective way to deal with the problem."

"This is targeting a group of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are innocent, but whose lives will be turned upside down," Mr. Zogby added. "The message it sends is that we're becoming like the Soviet Union, with people registering at police stations."

The authority for proposing the new registration requirements rests in a long-dormant provision in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, administration officials said.

A section of that law requires all foreign visa holders to register with the government if they remain in the United States for 30 days or longer. The law also required the fingerprinting of virtually all foreigners who were not permanent residents, except for diplomats.

The law remained on the books, but enforcement fell off in the early 1980's when the volume of visa holders climbed rapidly and the immigration service's budget and staffing dropped.

"By the early 1980's, the sheer volume of the effort combined with a lack of funding resulted in the practice being discontinued," said one administration official.

In 1979, the same year as the beginning of the Iranian hostage crisis, Iranian students were required to register with the government. After the attacks last year, most visa holders from Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Libya were fingerprinted as they entered the United States.

But the terrorist attacks had given fresh impetus to a much broader program. One administration official said the new registration proposal, which Justice officials planned to brief to Congress on Wednesday and announce later this week, would give the government a leg up on identifying the highest-risk foreign visitors now living in the United States.

Congress has required that the Immigration and Naturalization Service establish a system to monitor the entry and departure of all immigrants, beginning in 2003.

But other officials said the contentious proposal broke free from an internal administration debate only amid the recent recriminations over what intelligence the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency and other federal agencies possessed before Sept. 11 about the possibilities of a terrorist attack.

One of the leaders of the interagency discussion on the alien registration proposal is a conservative University of Missouri at Kansas City law professor, Kris W. Kobach, officials said.

Although Mr. Kobach, 36, is only a White House fellow on temporary assignment to the Justice Department, he also played a central role in another contentious proposal to give state and local police departments the power to track down illegal immigrants as a new tactic in the global war on terror.



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To: kattracks
>Violators could be fined, refused re-entry into the United States or possibly deported, officials said

Mr. Ashcroft you had better begin clearing out the nest of Middle Eastern, Al-Queda types NOW because if the Sum of All Fears happens they will blame YOU not Clinton. You were warned. No excuse this time.

21 posted on 06/05/2002 5:08:21 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: kattracks
The enemy understands the consequences of "politically correct" (PC)behavior better than most Americans do.

The enemy is using "politically correct" loathing of racial profiling as a weapon against America. "Politic correctness" will literally kill us if we don't stand up to it and outright reject it for the sake of common sense and survival.

22 posted on 06/05/2002 5:10:42 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: kattracks
The authority for proposing the new registration requirements rests in a long-dormant provision in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, administration officials said.

A section of that law requires all foreign visa holders to register with the government if they remain in the United States for 30 days or longer. The law also required the fingerprinting of virtually all foreigners who were not permanent residents, except for diplomats.

The law remained on the books, but enforcement fell off in the early 1980's when the volume of visa holders climbed rapidly and the immigration service's budget and staffing dropped.

Just another law being selectively enforced.

23 posted on 06/05/2002 5:16:16 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: section9
Your logic escapes me. You connect the Nazi's profiling of aliens with America profiling Arabs today? Therefore, to you, it is Nazist if we profile in order to protect ourselves?

Well, Nazis ate when they were hungry, slept when they were tired. Does that mean we should not eat or sleep, just because the Nazis did?? Are we Nazis if we eat and sleep, afterall, that's what the Nazi's did.

Comeon, Section9, use common sense, not politically correct common non-sense!

24 posted on 06/05/2002 5:17:47 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: Grampa Dave; ppaul
Ashcroft stated on MTP last Sunday that we can expect another attack. Of all the Muslims here decry 9/ll, they should be more than willing to cooperate with fingerprinting.

If a crime is committed, the police do a thorough investigation of all of those peripheral to the crime. This should be considered the same. And ppaul, yes, it's about time.

25 posted on 06/05/2002 5:33:06 AM PDT by Angelique
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To: kattracks
What's the logic of this?" said Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "Anyone who's truly dangerous is not going to show up to be registered."

I call BS on this statement. Didn't most of the hijackers use their real names and go through regular channels? When they boarded the planes, they were dressed in Western clothes to blend in....They will do the exact same thing.

26 posted on 06/05/2002 6:20:46 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
Immigration specialists, meantime, are warning of new backlogs at airports if already understaffed immigration service inspectors are required to fingerprint and process a new category of visitors.

Logistically, exactly how can the fingerprinting requirement be enacted? Inspectors will not likely take on this new task. Will this also be contracted out?

28 posted on 06/05/2002 6:33:18 AM PDT by Rita289
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To: kattracks
"First they came for the Muslims, and I stood by and said nothing...


...And then suddenly there was peace in the world, amen."
29 posted on 06/05/2002 6:35:22 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: GaryMontana
Tell it like it is GaryMontana
30 posted on 06/05/2002 6:41:46 AM PDT by Octavius
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To: kattracks
Wouldn't it be easier to just stop them from comming?
A But that might involve hurting feelings to save lives.
31 posted on 06/05/2002 6:44:10 AM PDT by Octavius
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To: ppaul
Yes. I would suggest taking DNA samples also.
32 posted on 06/05/2002 7:04:24 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: Wm Bach
"W.W.T.I.D."?

What Would The Israelis Do?"

33 posted on 06/05/2002 7:06:12 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Wm Bach
"W.W.T.I.D."?

What Would The Israelis Do?"

34 posted on 06/05/2002 7:06:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: The Great Satan
Dianne Feinstein publicly declared her mind changed on profiling on Wolf Blitzer's Late Edition on CNN Sunday.
35 posted on 06/05/2002 7:27:27 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Joe Boucher
There's an article in today's Washington Post entitled: "Lawsuits Accuse 4 Airlines of Bias: Men Say Perceived Ethnicity Got Them Taken Off Flights". Somehow I suspect these suits are ill-timed.
36 posted on 06/05/2002 7:29:02 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: kattracks
And what if some of them lie about intending to stay more than 30 days? Sheesh. Are we supposed to believe that the Feds will go out and find them, deport them or force them to register??? Yeah, riiiiight...
37 posted on 06/05/2002 7:30:22 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: eabinga
I remember having to register with the police when I had a summer job in Vienna during college. However, I never had to register with the police during my two years in Berlin, because I was a sergeant of the U.S. Air Force.
38 posted on 06/05/2002 7:31:50 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: joyful1
The enemy is using "politically correct" loathing of racial profiling as a weapon against America.

That's okay with me. By doing so, the enemy is associating political correctness with himself. With any luck, this war will kill political correctness.

39 posted on 06/05/2002 7:33:44 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: kattracks
Personally I'll take what we can get, but aren't we missing something here?

Wasn't the only person currently being tried for complicity in the WTC attack here on a French passeport?

40 posted on 06/05/2002 7:33:55 AM PDT by tcostell
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