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rushlimbaugh ^ | 6/4/2002 | Rush Limbaugh

[Texasforever]

I can't figure Zell Miller out. He would fit very well in the GOP. I have no answer other than he looks at his voters and sees political suicide in going republican. There are still a lot more yellow dog democrats that are quite conservative in the south than you may imagine they just cannot break old ties to the dems. My dad was like that. He was as “right wing” as any republican on earth and he could NEVER bring himself to vote for anyone but a democrat.

[Texasforever]

So, why would you advocate that I spend my time reading John Birch material?

I pointed you to that material to show you that many of the accusations against Bush were also being made against Reagan by segments of the "right". The entire spectrum loosely called Paleo-conservatves hated Reagan with a passion. There is a very vocal contingent of Paleo-cons leading the charge against Bush on this forum. The name has changed from Reagan to Bush but the rhetoric is identical.

[Texasforever]

I hope you have a really good mattress. LMAO

[Starwind]

So, I was positing that Bush and the Republican party would/could be better served to be more like Reagan, and your response was Reagan is too 'mythical' and you used the John Birch society viewpoints to prove it.

Do I have that right?

[nopardons]

He'd better ! LOL

Funacial advice like that, will land its followers in the poor house .

[Texasforever]

No. But then again I don't expect much analytical thought around here lately. I explained why I posted it. If that is not clear sorry.

[Texasforever]

No spam? Geeze friend you can't live without that spam.

[Starwind]

Yes, you explained their viewpoints [John Birchers] might soften my advocacy of Reagans style/legacy which you characterised as 'Reagan the myth'.

The Birchers are clearly extremists, and I fail to comprehend how you thought you'd advance your argument relying upon them.

My views of Bush/Reagan have changed little (I'm sure that surprises you - LOL), but I'm even less enamoured of the party faithful.

[Texasforever]

Fine. I have NO interest in changing minds. I also have NO interest in transparent agendas.

[nopardons]

1) Many people, have selective memories.

2) Reagan has been metamorphoaized into demi-godhood, by Conservatives. He has also become the template for presidencial Conservatism.

3) Leaving the " myth " behind, it is far better to state he facts; they're good enough.

4) During Reagan's run for the presidency, as well as during his presidency, Reagan was slammed, trashed, bashed, and shredded by the far right, the " purists " , and the Dems / lefties.

5) Birchers may now call themselves other things ; however, thee aresome on FR, and they aredoing to Bush, what they did to Reagan.

I can't make it any more dumbed down than this . If you still can't comprehend what has been shown you, just forget it and try to find another hobby / interest.

Why is it, that when you don't agree with something, you claim that you don't understand the post / get insulted / see that which is not there / and / or forget what you have previously written and reply with something 180 degrees away from that post ?

[ArneFufkin]

My theory is this ... Democrats have been held in line by their reliance on "soft money". The Unions, Teachers, Trial Lawyers, Wall Street barons, multi-national PACs, Ag PACs ... gave their millions to the DNC. The DNC then parcels it out to the "good boys". The GOP Senators representing liberal constituencies ... New England, Oregon etc ... move left on issues that their constituency leans liberal on. The Democrats representing the Dakotas, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin ... NEVER move right on social or economic issues that reflect the priorites of their socially conservative constituencies. Never.

Those who vote Democrat don't contribute any personal money to candidates. Their local media don't explore votes from their Democrat reps that disserve their interests. Never happenes, I see that ALL the time with MN media and Paul Wellstone. The Dem entitlement groups don't pay, their Unions or organized identity groups do. They rent buses to pick all the confused and dependent up on election day and haul them to the polls. Nobody in North Dakota is funding Byron Dorgan's Senate campaigns ... it's Terry McAulliffe. He needs to please Terry McAullife -not some Catholic plumber in Grand Forks who didn't hear about the Late Term Abortion vote from his news media. The media keeps the riff-raff in the dark, and Byron votes the way Terry and Tommy and Harry tells him to. As do Breaux, Bingaman, Cleland, Harkin, Baucus, Wellstone, Conrad, Stebanow, Carnahan, Landrieu, Wyden, Graham etc. They represent conservative people. They win because they have the coffers of the special interests in DC, and the Advertising of the socialist press, scaring off challengers and buying elections. CFR is a good thing for Pubbies and Conservatives, notwithstanding the Constitutionality. That's why it was so reviled here, it was a strategic win for Republicans that might actually move the ball. How can you bitch incessantly about that?

[nopardons]

It's a lost cause; he / she may be a " ringer ".

[Texasforever]

Why is it, that when you don't agree with something, you claim that you don't understand the post / get insulted / see that which is not there / and / or forget what you have previously written and reply with something 180 degrees away from that post ?

The poster is too cute by half. I am amazed at their delusion that they are fooling anyone.

[nopardons]

The poster " fooled me once ". That's all it took. T'would be best, if he/ she went back to DU ! Oh, it also might be a banned " oldy " fringer, with a new nic.

[Starwind]

My agenda, such as it is, is to have a more conservative party (presumably a more conservative Republican party) in charge...though I don't see that happening any time soon, not in 2002.

I do try, sincerely, to understand others viewpoints. It is the only way to communicate effectively.

Your thread was an open invitation to suggest alternatives to increase 'conservatism'. I took you up on it. It was educational for me. I'm sorry if it wasn't for you.

[Texasforever]

The "un-intended consequence" of the veto bait called CFR is that the Dems advantage in "soft" money" was completely negated while the GOP advantage in "hard" money was doubled. The Dems were absolutely certain that Bush would veto the bill giving them both a campaign issue and their continued soft money cash cow. They threw Bush into that briar patch and in the process cut their own scheming throats.

[lavaroise]

The president is not sinless, Rush is not sinless, they all agree to that, we all are a happy family and see eye to eye, IMHO.

[nopardons]

Hey Tex, it was " educational " for me ! You threw up a brick way amd the usual suspects hit it, crashed, and burned . Then , you got some newbie, who blows so much smoke, that one would assume that the WTC were aflame, and crashing down again.

Nice hook, on which to hang a last hurrah. Thanks . : - )