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To: Irene Adler
I think the 15-point gap is pretty consistent over all the common IQ tests.

Are there any IQ tests that do not require some sort of basic cultural awareness on the test-taker's part?

54 posted on 06/04/2002 6:41:15 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Are there any IQ tests that do not require some sort of basic cultural awareness on the test-taker's part?

No, but some tests have less cultural bias than others. The racial differences increase the more one decreases cultural bias, according to Murray.

71 posted on 06/04/2002 7:09:13 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Poohbah
Are there any IQ tests that do not require some sort of basic cultural awareness on the test-taker's part?Look, from this post and others it is clear that you will not see the obvious. Stephen Jay Gould (RIP) spent a good deal of time trying to prove (mostly to himself, I think) that genes are insignificant contributors to the differences in human intelligence. Here are some facts:
--the gap between blacks and whites in aggregate is consistent through different ages (from toddlers through adulthood) and through different testing methodologies
--if it were significantly culturally based, then Native Americans and Hispanics should do worse than blacks. They don't. Further, Asians who arrive off the boat who can hardly speak English often do better than whites on these tests
--blacks raised in middle middle and upper middle class households score at about the same level as their inner city counterparts
--for anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of biological principles to believe that the crowning achievement of human evolution, ie, intelligence, is not to a great degree inherited needs to go back to school.

All this being said, we must understand that this does not make it possible to predict intellectual functioning for the individual of any race or ethnic group; these data are only for the aggregate. Oh--and the twin studies are on the money; they are not flawed just because people who disagree with their findings say they are. And finally, there is not a shred of evidence to support the point that genes do not play the major role here. Gould's ridiculous book, The Mismeasure of Man needed to go back to the 19th century and attack the strawmen of that era (eg, phrenology) in order to make his "case."

99 posted on 06/04/2002 7:39:15 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Poohbah
Are there any IQ tests that do not require some sort of basic cultural awareness on the test-taker's part?...most IQ tests, including the Binet and the Wechsler series, have at least some portions which are not culturally dependent - immediate recall, visual pattern reproduction, etc...but blacks usually have problems with these items also...even when their scores differ from whites within the error of measurement, they differ almost always by being lower, rather than equally above and below which you would expect were the differences truly random due to test variability...there have been all sorts of attempts to prove that the lower IQ's registered by blacks on average are the result of "cultural factors" My favorite involved having a group of blacks judge what items on a particular test would be most difficult for them because they were unfamiliar with the material, then looking at how another group of blacks taking the test did on those items - turned out they actually did slightly better (but not statistically so) on those items than whites taking the test...there is no consistent evidence demonstrating that the differences shown between average black and white IQ's are attributable to cultural influences.....
193 posted on 06/04/2002 9:13:57 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Poohbah
Are there any IQ tests that do not require some sort of basic cultural awareness on the test-taker's part?

Yep, the The Biology “g”.

201 posted on 06/04/2002 9:52:51 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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