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1 posted on 06/04/2002 9:17:00 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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Nice catch.
43 posted on 06/04/2002 10:24:29 AM PDT by First_Salute
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When this story broke, lo those many years ago, 3 things happened:

1) I immediately listed "Ebonics- East Coast Dialect" on the language section of my resume.

2) My friend Eric ceased to be called "E-dubs" and promptly received a new nickname, "Ebonics."

3) I immediately began refering to the way I, an American of Irish descent, speak as "Ironics."

52 posted on 06/04/2002 10:32:03 AM PDT by Oschisms
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"Experts" tell us that ebonics is three things:

Dey bin huffin wacky tabacky. The little excerpt written in Ebonic is also a fraud. The author did not once use the requisite Mutha F. With out that term of endearment, no claim to Afrocentric speech is valid.

Dan

54 posted on 06/04/2002 10:33:49 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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Could you please direct me back to the other article you posted on history education. I marked it to reply later and I have not been able to find it again. Thanks
55 posted on 06/04/2002 10:34:15 AM PDT by Eva
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Is ebonics the same thing as jive?
62 posted on 06/04/2002 10:43:52 AM PDT by geaux
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This reminds me of the Eddie Murphy piece that went around the Internet a while ago...
...I've got it here somewhere

66 posted on 06/04/2002 10:49:42 AM PDT by Bon mots
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The only thing that ebonics prepares a kid for is a career in rap music.
69 posted on 06/04/2002 10:54:23 AM PDT by Eva
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Ebonics is the natural language of "evolutionary biology" sort of like C is the natural language for UNIX.

In fact I once ran a couple of paragraphs worth of Chuck Darwin's psychobabble through one of the standard little language filters on the internet. As far as I could tell, it came back looking somewhat more intelligent and logical than it ever had in Darwin's original, if not sufficiently so that any reasonable person would ever buy off on it:

From: jive@ifi.unizh.ch
Subject: yo' mail

Dere are many laws regulatin' variashun, some few uh which kin be dimly seen, and gots'ta be hereafta' briefly menshuned. ah' will here only allude t'whut may be called co'relashun uh growd. Any change in de embryo o' larva gots'ta almost certainly entail changes in de mature animal. In monstrosities, de co'relashuns between quite distinct parts are real curious; and many instances are given in Isido'e Geoffroy St Hilaire's great wo'k on dis subject. Breeders recon' dat long limbs are almost always accompanied by an elongated 'haid. Some instances uh co'relashun are quite whimsical; dus cats wid blue eyes are invariably deaf; colour and constitushunal peculiarities go togeder, uh which many remarkable cases could be given amongst animals and plants. From de facts collected by Heusin'er, it appears dat honky sheep and pigs are differently affected fum coloured individuals by certain vegetable poisons. Hairless dogs gots' impuh'fect teed ; long-froed and co'se-froed animals are apt t'gots', as be asserted, long o' many ho'ns; pigeons wid feadered feet gots' skin between deir outa' toes; pigeons wid sho't beaks gots' little-ass feet, and dose wid long beaks large feet. Hence, if dude goes on selectin', and dus augmentin', any peculiarity, he gots'ta almost certainly unconsciously modify oda' parts uh de structure, owin' t'de mah'sterious laws uh de co'relashun uh growd.


greetin'
JIBE at da Department uh Computa' Science, University uh Zurich
71 posted on 06/04/2002 10:58:50 AM PDT by medved
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So ebonics is a recognized dialect. It still makes you sound uneducated and illiterate, same as someone who speaks a Creole, Southern, or Bahhstan accent.
75 posted on 06/04/2002 11:09:35 AM PDT by tdadams
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Its not just black kids anymore, but anyone who is young enough to think that "The street" is hip and cool. My teenage stepson (non-black) speaks full on ebonics at times, to me and his mother. We always correct him, he things I am being mean, tough sh*t. He also thinks it is racist to be against Ebonics, I tell him to shut his white boy mouth (Just kidding). No, actually, I tell him to listen to Samuel L. Jackson in Star wars. As a Jedi, he speaks perfect english, but dayum if dat guy can't whip out the Ebonics. There is a time and place for everything, and at home, you must be a Jedi...

Actually, I would be satisfied if he would just clean up his room...

80 posted on 06/04/2002 11:26:27 AM PDT by Paradox
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Afrocentrists such as George Washington University professor Robert Williams, who coined the term "ebonics" in 1973, maintain that it is an act of disrespect for a white teacher to correct a black child.

Ignorant racist fool. He'll get his...

86 posted on 06/04/2002 11:33:43 AM PDT by maxwell
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Jussa looksa at me massa. I am da zample of uh susssessful grajuate ov hookt on eboniks. Nows imsa gonna gets me a fansi job wokking in duh FBI or duh CIA.
89 posted on 06/04/2002 11:37:22 AM PDT by rebelsoldier
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How far have we fallen? Here is a quote from the first two paragraphs of a book I had to read in the mid 70's for a high school history course (private school). The book is titled "The Rise of Christian Europe", and it was first published in 1965, reprinted in 1975. It rings truth, but I imagine it would be considered hate speech in some circles today. Check it out:

It is fashionable to speak today as if European history were devalued: as if historians, in the past, have paid too much attention to it; and as if, nowadays, we should pay less. Undergraduates, seduced, as always, by the changing breath of journalistic fashion, demand that they should be taught the history of black Africa. Perhaps, in the future, there will be some African history to teach. But at the present there is none, or very little: there is only the history of the Europeans in Africa. The rest is largely darkness, like the history of pre-European, pre-Columbian America. And darkness is not a subject for history.

Please do not misunderstand me. I do not deny that men existed even in dark countries and dark centuries, not that they had political life and culture, interesting to sociologists and anthropologists; but history, I believe, is essentially a form of movement, and purposive movement too. It is not a mere phantasmagoria of changing shapes and costumes, of battles and conquests, dynasties and usurpations, social forms and social disintigration. If all history is equal, as some now believe, there is no reason we should study one section of it rather than another; for certainly we cannot study it all. Then indeed we may neglect our own history and amuse ourselves with the unrewarding gyrations of barbarous tribes in picturesque but irrelevant corners of the globe: tribes whose chief function in history, in my opinion, is to show to the present an image of the past which, by history, it has escaped.

The book was written by an English historian, Hugh Trevor-Roper, and arose out of a series of lectures he gave on BBC television in 1963. Imagine that happening today.

96 posted on 06/04/2002 12:02:00 PM PDT by arm958
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Just for fun

We should run all of our correspondence with the left through this

http://rinkworks.com/dialect

choose Jive.

Comes out like this.

"Expuh'ts" tell us dat ebonics be dree doodads, dig dis: 1) an African language dat be genetically passed on among brothers; 2) some vocabulary dat gots grown out uh de encounta' of African slaves wid Irish immigrants; and 3) some wholly new dialect created since da damn 1960s by yung brothers t'separate demselves fum honkys.

sorry for link failure-first post

99 posted on 06/04/2002 12:07:46 PM PDT by be4everfree
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You want I should talk good english?

You think maybe European immigrants from the old country talk funny?

So, maybe their grammar was from thinking in Yiddish and speaking in English?

So, maybe we should have taught our children to speak in broken english?

Did anyone ever read the book The Education Of Hyman Kaplan?

-PJ

100 posted on 06/04/2002 12:08:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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ping
118 posted on 06/04/2002 2:21:20 PM PDT by madfly
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I had 2 catlacks, but I rectum both.

My parole officer say if I miss disappointment, I in trouble!

I gave my girlfriend the crabs, and the hotel everyone.

If I pay my alimony, I'll have no money foreclose.

119 posted on 06/04/2002 2:22:06 PM PDT by Bill Rice
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Well, hey.

That's what affirmative Action is for..

124 posted on 06/04/2002 2:41:20 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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IIRC, this started out as an attempt to get more "non-english speaking" federal $$$ for Oakland. Now, it
appears that they want federal tax dollars to fund yet another totally useless "industry".
125 posted on 06/04/2002 2:45:37 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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Why can't the "Miss Ebonics" pageant get participants from all 50 states? It seems they have a problem wearing the banner "Idaho".
130 posted on 06/04/2002 2:59:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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