[George W. Bush]

But the Church does a heck of a lot of good. There is no international organization of its size which is standing up to the likes of George Soros, Maurice Strong, Ted Turner, the UN and hundreds of socialist NGOs.

Absolutely. On those issues, like the pro-life issue, I support the stance of the Roman church. Without their sheer numbers, we would be overrun. I've often written here at FR of my admiration for the aggressive stance of the bishops in my own state. They are considerably more conservative than the rest of the American hierarchy.

I much prefer people be involved in their church than look to the state for all answers. Everyone who desires liberty loses if the Catholic church is weakened.

I agree with the first sentence, very reminiscent of Eisenhower's remarks to the same effect. But, historically, I would take issue with the second statement from both a secular and religious viewpoint. Nevertheless, the church of Rome has made a few important contributions to modern liberty, sometimes inadvertently. Their current effort in battling the social engineering plans of the global socialists at the U.N. is one that I applaud and support. I often pass along the alerts of the Vatican mission to the U.N. to my representatives and within my own personal circle.

[LarryLied]

Those the Church is fighting must have known for decades the extent of the problem in the Church. I wonder how much they encouraged it. When a priest is a part owner in a gay resort, you know the entire gay community knows about it.