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The Soccer Gap: What conservatives are missing.
National Review Online ^ | May 31, 2002 | Robert Ziegler

Posted on 05/31/2002 9:28:33 AM PDT by xsysmgr

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The reason we should not follow the billions of soccer fans in the rest of the world is because we are better than they. That's why they copy us. Baseball, football and basketball are American inventions. They bare as much likeness to European or Aztek games as wrestling does to darts. Our sports are growing in foreign countries. The average score of a World Cup soccer game is 1-0...as with the Champion French team's defeat at the hands (or feet) of the mighty team from Bornio (or whatever non-descript country it was). The thing that irks me most about American soccer enthusiasts is their dishonesty. They put out propaganda that it's the "fastest growing sport in America" but I heard that in 1971. I'm still waiting for TV share ratings to go above 1%. And as for the success of the USA women's team. It's fake. Women don't play soccer in other countries. It was all an invention of the fems to create a World Cup where none ever existed. Foreign countries had to hurriedly find athletes from other sports to compete in an arena we built. Then, surprise..we won. Wow.
81 posted on 05/31/2002 10:36:46 AM PDT by Deb8
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To: Intimidator
Checked profile....North Carolina. After the Jerkalance go down tonight, I'll deal with the Whalers..

That ought to be an interesting series. The Hartford Whalers..I mean Hurricanes owned by Michigander Peter Karamos, vs rival Mike Illitch and the Red Wings.

Karamos and Illitch aren't exactly the best of friends from what I've heard.

82 posted on 05/31/2002 10:37:03 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: constans
The lack of popularity among Americans when it comes to international play is simply that you can't really go to see any of the "away games" to root on the USA. It's easy for the British football hooligans to travel from country to country in Europe cheering on their country. In the USA, you're stuck hopping on a flight across the Atlantic if you want to do that.

The US plays 18 months of WC qualifiers against North and Central American teams and the WC itself has been in both the good ol' USA and Mexico.

So so much for that theory.

83 posted on 05/31/2002 10:37:20 AM PDT by Hotspur
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To: tictoc
I can understand someone being indifferent to a sport, but I don't understand the outright hostility that some show towards a sport

Its still gay.

84 posted on 05/31/2002 10:37:43 AM PDT by Intimidator
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To: wny
The problem with soccer is that it's boring as hell.

Yeah right, as if golf and bass fishing provide flurries of activity.

Doesn't it make you wonder why a 6o minute football game takes over two hours to play. Could it be that more time is spent in "down time" than actual playing? The same for baseball and basketball, whereas in soccer, the action is primarily non-stop. Boring my a**.

85 posted on 05/31/2002 10:38:17 AM PDT by varon
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To: Phantom Lord
As with most sports, can you bet the Over/Under on soccer? If so, what is the avg. Over/Under set at... 1? 2? I would be surprised if it exceeded that.

Probably. What's your point? He was saying most games ended up in a score of 0-0, which is false. To me, soccer is like hockey in the fact that when a team scores a goal, it is that much sweeter, as opposed to basketball, where it's a run of good points that is sweeter than just scoring a basket.

Not to mention if in football, we counted touchdowns as a point and counted field goals as a half point (and omitted the extra points and safeties), we'd get scores like 3.5 to 2 in many, many, many games, and even games like 1.5 to 0.

86 posted on 05/31/2002 10:39:04 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Hotspur
LOL. I detest soccer as much as anyone, but at least I can talk about it intelligently (I hope). And trust me, the sport is awful at its highest levels.
87 posted on 05/31/2002 10:39:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Nate505
Come to think of it, baseball players play in tights also.
88 posted on 05/31/2002 10:39:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Hotspur
We dominate the ones we invent and no one else likes, which is nothing to be proud of.

Americans dominate golf. We didnt invent it and more people play it than any other sport when you include recreational players. And yes, more people play it than soccer.

Basketball, Football, and Baseball are very popular around the globe.

Had the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia not been broken up, their teams would be just barely, if at all, behind the US.

If they had a league in their countries with the number of teams that we have, how would their teams stack up against ours? Pretty poorly I would think.

89 posted on 05/31/2002 10:40:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Hotspur
Who, from scratch, would invent a game where the average score was 0 to 0, or 1 to 0 ? It's just like the Europeans to refuse any opportunity to moidify the game, to make it more "decisive" or "competitive" or "interesting". Arrogant, boring European game. zzzzzzzzzz.......
90 posted on 05/31/2002 10:40:33 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: xsysmgr
I was pulling for France in 98 because they were playing at home and I thought that would be cool if they won. This year, I'm pulling for England. They've got a lot of talent that has yet to really stamp their authority on the international game and I'm expecting big things out of 'em, fingers crossed. I don't really see the USA winning their group "D" with Portugal in their with 'em, but they could be runners up. But the news isn't really any better if they are runners up because they would likely then face Italy who I expect will triumph over Group G (Italy has a wicked defence and a very capable offense as well).

I have to just shake my head at a lot of the comments I'm reading here. Especially the ones about only liberals liking football. Hello! There are conservatives in other countries as well and they like it.

I grew up in the South and I liked playing the game as a kid although I never mastered any particular aspect of it. The US Army also plays a lot of "soccer" for PT and loves it. I like all sport and love to compete against other people, I don't care what it is- American football, foot racing, throwing rocks for accuracy or distance or just chess. It's silly to say football is a game for Eurofags- I mean that's just plain silly. It's a game like any other, it takes time and dedication to master and keeps you fit if you play.

I don't follow the clubs here in the UK or greater Europe. What I love though is the World Cup. This is an event. Every nation has their all star line-up and the whole hopes and dreams of entire countries are riding on those 11 men who run out on the pitch to represent them. Watching those rare moments like the penalty shootout between Brazil and Italy in the 1994 Finals- man, that's tension and that's the stuff that makes a great sporting event. And it is a time to be PATRIOTIC, which I would figure my fellow Americans of the conservative stripe could get into.

But bottom line, football (or soccer if you like) is not a straights vs fags, conservative vs liberal, girly men vs burly men thing- it's a universal sport. And it's a difficult one as well. I found it was a lot easier to hit a baseball through the gap than to kick that damned ball into the goal. The game has its finer points, its dull points and its exciting points just like any other sport and I wish Americans were more competitive in it.

91 posted on 05/31/2002 10:40:41 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Alberta's Child
LOL. I detest soccer as much as anyone, but at least I can talk about it intelligently (I hope). And trust me, the sport is awful at its highest levels.

How would it get into your mind that I should "trust you" about something I follow and watch myself?

92 posted on 05/31/2002 10:40:53 AM PDT by Hotspur
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To: Hotspur
Because I am completely unbiased, and have no predisposition to like or hate any sport before I learn quite a bit about it?
93 posted on 05/31/2002 10:42:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Nate505
I will say it. Baseball is BORING. I can not watch it on TV. On the off chance that I do watch it, it is the World Series and it is after the 7th inning.

How many people complain about and dont understand why people watch golf on tv? A lot.

But baseball fans and golf fans dont behave the way soccer fans do when it comes to trying to sell their sport. If soccer fans werent obnoxious about and have a condescending attitude toward non fans, us non fans wouldnt say the things we do about the sport.

94 posted on 05/31/2002 10:43:15 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: FatherFig1o155
What I don't understand is why some people (including those in this forum, apparently) think it has to be a competition about which sport is best.

People don't argue in the same way about baseball vs football or hockey vs basketball. The fact of the matter is this type of soccer bashing comes about because there are so many soccer evangelists like the author of this article. I'm all for having a broad spectrum of sports but why do the schools etc have to push soccer over all other sports? At my son's school soccer is the only sport allowed at lunch or recess.

BTW, my wife and I started to notice a while ago that kids on TV, especially on commercials, play soccer almost exclusively. See if you notice the samething.

95 posted on 05/31/2002 10:43:39 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Nate505
So in other words, most of the fans don't watch the sport for it's sporting value (and despite my snide comments, I realize that auto racing than people driving around in a circle 500 times), but for explosions?

Yep (for me, I won't speak for other fans). I like ultimate fighting, too. All the rest of that crap might as well be ballet dancing as far as I'm concerned. If there's no risk of grave bodily harm or death, it's just stick and ball games, suitable for children and embarrassing for adults.

Oh, and I like hockey. Well, playoff hockey, anyway.

96 posted on 05/31/2002 10:44:18 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Nate505
So in other words, most of the fans don't watch the sport for it's sporting value (and despite my snide comments, I realize that auto racing than people driving around in a circle 500 times), but for explosions?

Yep (for me, I won't speak for other fans). I like ultimate fighting, too. All the rest of that crap might as well be ballet dancing as far as I'm concerned. If there's no risk of grave bodily harm or death, it's just stick and ball games, suitable for children and embarrassing for adults.

Oh, and I like hockey. Well, playoff hockey, anyway.

97 posted on 05/31/2002 10:44:30 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Deb8
The reason we should not follow the billions of soccer fans in the rest of the world is because we are better than they. That's why they copy us. Baseball, football and basketball are American inventions.

They assuredly do not "copy us." Very few other countries care at all about baseball or football. Basketball--invented by a Canadian--has traveled well, and the rest of the world has caught up with the US.

Better luck next time.

98 posted on 05/31/2002 10:44:53 AM PDT by Hotspur
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To: Phantom Lord
Do baseball and golf fans write editorials criticizing people who are not fans of the sport? No. Do they criticize and belittle people who dont like the sport? No. Do they question the mental capacity and "culture" of those that don't like the sports? No.

I would have to disagree with you on that one PL. I actually think that the answers to all those questions are "yes". Soccer is constantly attacked by sports people whose fixation is only football and baseball. Thats fine, but it only encourages a response.

99 posted on 05/31/2002 10:45:50 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Alberta's Child
People are obviously very divided about soccer. They either can't get enough of it or can't stay awake through it. I tend to be the latter.

I do love going to baseball games, where the fights remain on the field and not in the stands, Something relaxing about a baseball game (without sending me into a coma).

100 posted on 05/31/2002 10:47:17 AM PDT by Smedley
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