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The First Church of Costco
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, May 30, 2002

Posted on 05/30/2002 8:46:27 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Good Book instructs us to render unto Caesar what is his. But what do you do when Caesar casts his greedy eye on your local church -- in order to replace it with a discount retailer?

This tale comes from Orange County, California, once known as Reagan Country. On Tuesday night the Cypress City Council voted 4-0 to invoke its powers of eminent domain to seize land owned by the Cottonwood Christian Center, which would then be sold to Costco. The growing non-denominational Christian church had bought the mostly vacant land in 1999 because its existing building was bursting at the seams.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cottonwood; landgrab
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To: jayree
The church already has State and Federal Lawsuits in the works against the City of Cypress.
41 posted on 05/31/2002 5:17:45 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Koblenz
Fine, but as long as we want the open market to exist, we should have property taxes administered fairly, which means that churches should also pay property taxes. Because every other business has to in effect subsidize churches as churches don't pay property taxes.

Kind of on both sides of this one, as a pastor. On the one hand, I can see the benefits to the church from tax-exemption. On the other hand, if we paid property taxes like every other business, then no one could stifle us when we speak out on issues of the day. Just a thought...fire away!

42 posted on 05/31/2002 5:22:53 AM PDT by Ulysses
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To: ClearCase_guy
Another angle to look as to where this can be applied in the future, if it is allowed to stand, is in downtown urban areas. Developers will be foaming at the mouth at the possiblility of obtaining a few acres from the old, established denominations.

The prospect of a tax base against a mega story skycraper versus a tax exempt church will be too much for liberal land thief politicians to ignore.

43 posted on 05/31/2002 5:25:03 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
skycraper=skyscraper
44 posted on 05/31/2002 5:25:46 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: spokanite
Could this method be used to add more land into the government's hands and less for individual landowners?

Of course. It has already happened, I believe.

a.cricket

45 posted on 05/31/2002 5:30:57 AM PDT by another cricket
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To: South40
I do, however, understand its motives---and it has nothing to do with greed. It has everything to do with handling the daunting task of balancing the city's budget.

Piffle. I'd bet you against 100-1 odds they could balance the budget if they'd just cut some perks and pork. They'd rather not, because of -- all together now -- greed.

46 posted on 05/31/2002 5:36:27 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Koblenz
Fine, but as long as we want the open market to exist, we should have property taxes administered fairly, which means that churches should also pay property taxes. Because every other business has to in effect subsidize churches as churches don't pay property taxes.

Bingo! The dirty secret that no one wants to admit to is that churches are businesses. They sell religion and a bunch of other stuff. Tax them like everyone else. The state should not be promoting religious organizations by giving them a free ride on taxes.

Richard W.

47 posted on 05/31/2002 5:41:33 AM PDT by arete
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To: South40
The real question is: Is the aquisition of this property for public use?

That's just it right there. If Costco is for public use so is a church. I don't understand how one agent of the governement can take away property from someone and then turn around and sell it to someone else. This is nuts. No one is safe if this is actually legal.

48 posted on 05/31/2002 8:55:12 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Ulysses
"Kind of on both sides of this one, as a pastor. On the one hand, I can see the benefits to the church from tax-exemption. On the other hand, if we paid property taxes like every other business, then no one could stifle us when we speak out on issues of the day. Just a thought...fire away!"

It is a 'tough call'. I can see not taxing 'the big house', the actual sanctuary, as a community center. All of the camps, schools, universities, and athletic complexes which normally 'charge fees', like businesses, should not be exempt just because they are held under church ownership. My humble opinion. The City Council deciding 'best use and purpose' must assume THEY know God's will. {;~)

49 posted on 05/31/2002 1:03:24 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: TroutStalker
Non-religious use of land is not tax-exempt. They should be paying taxes on the land.
50 posted on 05/31/2002 1:04:27 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: RonDog;generalissimoduane;Liz;Grampa Dave
God wants a COSTCO!!!

As revealed by the Cypress City Council 'proFITS'
51 posted on 05/31/2002 1:09:20 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: South40

As a former city council member, I do not agree with the Cypress City Council’s decision...

One would think that the bad publicity surrounding this issue would cause Costco to abandon its proposal to purchase the property. If it doesn’t, therein lies the greed.

Question, who is going to initiate force to obtain the property, Costco or the Cypress City government? Greed is not a violation of any person's rights or private-property rights. Also, how about bad publicity surrounding this issue causing the Cypress City government to abandon it's illegal initiation of force.* Unjust laws and laws applied beyond their intended purpose are violations in themselves. Here's a novel idea, how about Cypress City government doing the right thing and respect the rule of just law.

*Government having a monopoly on initiating force is the only one that can get away with such plundering. Doing so under the color of law as if that legitimizes initiation of force. The reason I say plundering is that to a property owner the value of their property could easily be worth much more to them than what the market value is. For example, what is the value of the back yard property where a person's grandparents are buried? Like a family heirloom, it could be priceless to the owner.

52 posted on 06/05/2002 1:44:57 AM PDT by Zon
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To: jayree
(I’m not ready to tear up my Costco Card yet though)

You'd have to pry mine from my cold, dead hands, LOL.

53 posted on 06/05/2002 2:48:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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