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To: AndrewC; PatrickHenry
From the actual link I gave you:

[1] Nic Tamzek is the pen name of Nicholas Matzke.
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~matzke/
The actual text pointed to by the link I gave you, (not the 1.0 version you found because the author's description is easier to ad hominem.

Was the prebiotic atmosphere reducing? Are the Miller-Urey experiments "irrelevant"? The famous Miller-Urey experiments used a strongly reducing atmosphere to produce amino acids. It is important to realize that the original experiment is famous not so much for the exact mixture used, but for the unexpected discovery that such a simple experiment could indeed produce crucial biological compounds; this discovery instigated a huge amount of related research that continues today.

Now, current geochemical opinion is that the prebiotic atmosphere was not so strongly reducing as the original Miller-Urey atmosphere, but opinion varies widely from moderately reducing to neutral. Completely neutral atmospheres would be bad for Miller-Urey-type experiment, but even a weakly reducing atmosphere will produce lower but significant amounts of amino acids. In the approximately two brief pages of text where Wells actually discusses the reducing atmosphere question (p. 20-22), Wells cites some more 1970's sources and then asserts that the irrelevance of the Miller-Urey experiment has become a "near-consensus among geochemists" (p. 21).

None of this is meant to convey the impression that no controversies exist (both Cohen (1995) and the Davis and McKay (1996) article cited by the above-quoted Kral et al. (1998) are about the various competing hypotheses about the origin of life). But textbooks generally mention some of these hypotheses (briefly of course, as there is only space for a page or two on this topic in an introductory textbook), and furthermore generally mention that the original atmosphere was likely more weakly reducing than the original Miller-Urey experiment hypothesized, but that many variations with mildly reducing conditions still produce satisfactory results. This is exactly what is written in the most popular college biology textbook, Campbell et al.'s (1999) Biology, for instance. In other words, the textbooks basically summarize what the recent literature is saying. The original Miller-Urey experiment, despite its limitations, is also repeatedly cited in modern scientific literature as a landmark experiment. So why does Wells have a problem with the textbooks following the literature? Wells wants textbooks to follow the experts, and it appears that they are.

Nothing you've posted undermines what Schopf said about the spread of the older BIFs indicating the early seas were anoxic. Now pretend you don't understand that.

PH: I know you're an avid compiler of this stuff. Note the extensive ad hominem and arguments from authority in the post to which I reply, the absolute exclusion of dealing with the text of the arguments to which IT is a reply. Classic AndrewC smoke-and-mirrors BS.

442 posted on 05/31/2002 9:54:27 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
The links don't work in my pasted text. Again, the original.
445 posted on 05/31/2002 9:57:31 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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