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To: cornelis
Here's an excerpt from H. Allen Orr's response to a number of critiques of his review of Darwin's Black Box. It consolidates the sense I have when I read Johnson. The full response and critiques together with other useful and amusing articles may be found here.
Behe's comrade-in-arms, Phillip Johnson, seems, by comparison, past praying for. Johnson's commentary reveals that his opposition to Darwin is entirely ideological. His beef, it turns out, is not so much with Darwinism as with materialism. Indeed his whole view can be summed up in the following syllogism: Materialism is bad; Darwinism is a form of materialism; ergo, Darwinism is bad.

He tries to persuade you of the soundness of this logic by reminding you that Marxism and Freudianism--both materialist--are also bad. But this guilt by association maneuver is silly and the absurdity of Johnson's view can be seen by plugging any other species of materialist science into his syllogism: "Celestial mechanics is a form of materialism; ergo, celestial mechanics is bad." Is Johnson really willing to believe that--in the imminent collapse of materialism--mechanics will go the way of phrenology and we'll all happily return to the pre-materialist view that angels, by flapping their wings, propel the planets through their orbits? If not, why not? Why is it kosher to reject Darwinism on the grounds of materialist dogma, but not celestial mechanics? The answer is, I think, obvious. Darwinism hits closer to home. It concerns the origins of people, not the orbits of planets.

It's clear that Johnson longs for a return to some idyllic pre-materialist culture. But this is escapist nonsense, a cop-out. The fact is we live in a scientific age. To deny this--to wish it away by chanting "materialism"--is to live in a make-believe world. Johnson is of course welcome to reside in such a world, but we, his readers, are left with the slightly incongruous image of a man who, flatly denying half the world and the last four hundred years of history, lectures us on how things really are.

As for Johnson's treatment of my paper with Coyne on the genetics of adaptation, Coyne has said most of what needs saying. Behe, and now Johnson, have grossly exaggerated the "challenge" to Darwinism posed by our work. How the notion that adaptation involves larger-sized mutations than we thought pulls the rug out from under evolution is beyond me. Indeed Johnson misunderstands our claim, getting it all backwards. Coyne and I noted that population genetic theory shows that bigger mutations are the most likely to play a role in adaptation. But Johnson, pointing to our paper, concludes that, although big mutations happen, "they can't climb Mount Improbable again and again," i.e., they can't play a role in adaptation. This is precisely the opposite of our conclusion. Such misunderstandings don't inspire much confidence in Johnson's grasp of evolutionary theory. But this is subtle stuff compared to his assertion that I invoke "a naked hypothesis (Muller's Ratchet) against irreducible complexity." Since Johnson is viewed in some quarters as an expert on evolutionary matters, I feel somewhat obliged to point out that "Muller's ratchet"--though well-known and important--has nothing whatever to do with Muller's explanation of irreducible complexity. Muller had more than one idea in his life and Muller's ratchet refers to the accumulation of deleterious mutations on asexual chromosomes--a long ways from irreducible complexity. Drawing a conclusion here seems almost rude, but too much is at stake for polite silence: the fact is Johnson has little idea what he's talking about.

Last, I must comment on Johnson's astonishing claim that "in fields like paleontology, genetics, and embryology . . . the empirical evidence and the materialist project are going in opposite directions." I sincerely hope no reader is taken in by such nonsense. I work in a department filled with geneticists, embryologists, and paleontologists and not one of them yet has stopped me in the halls, pale and trembling, with revelations of data that undermine materialism. (You should ask yourself what such data would look like.) I'm afraid that, if Johnson is your guide to evolution, paleontology, genetics, or embryology, there's a good chance that you and the empirical evidence are going in opposite directions.


547 posted on 06/04/2002 10:02:36 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
From your link:

The Limits of Darwinism

David Berlinski

The parts of an irreducibly complex system--a padlock, say--must work together if the system is to work at all. Such systems, Mike Behe has argued, are inaccessible to a Darwinian mechanism.

H. Allen Orr confidently demurs, the shade of H. J. Muller having persuaded him that irreducible complexity is itself an evolutionary property, something that simply pops up in the evolutionary record, like the vermiform appendix. Herewith, then, the Darwinian padlock. A key-like structure (a slug, perhaps) makes an adventitious appearance, followed by the equally adventitious appearance of a lock. The key then obligingly adapts itself to the lock, creating the familiar irreducibly complex padlock.

It is a defect of this scheme that the requisite steps involve two useless artifacts and a miracle.

I have, of course, rigged the example for rhetorical effect, but Orr's argument is in any case an exercise is misapplied force, like a screw hammered into wood. Whatever the definition of irreducible complexity, some systems must remain inaccessible to a Darwinian mechanism if the underlying theory is to have empirical content. Witness the lock and key. A universal evolutionary mechanism is no more plausible than a universal differential equation. The only question of interest is whether some biological structures are included among the systems inaccessible to every Darwinian mechanism. The conceptual question aside, the incontrovertible fact remains that in biochemistry the requisite Darwinian intermediates are missing from the literature and nowhere to be seen in life. This is the gravamen of Behe's argument. And it is to Behe's credit that he has made it.

Having for many years declined to discuss the obvious, evolutionary biologists now argue that the facts to which Behe is drawing attention represent merely an irregularity in the otherwise smooth manifold of Darwinian successes.

Their response would, of course, be more persuasive if those successes were more conspicuous. The achievements of contemporary biology are very considerable. In this, Orr is entirely correct. But it has been the molecular biologists and biochemists who have discovered an entirely new, entirely limpid, entirely lovely and astonishing new world, this even as evolutionary biologists have continued to trot restlessly across the same dark plain, baying at shadows in the endless night.


I very much enjoyed the appetizers of Berwick's discussion, but found myself disappointed that the main course appears to be missing.

I shall supply it myself. On n'est jamais aussi bien servi que par soi mme. Richard Dawkins has set himself the formidable task of providing an explanation of biological complexity. Yet Climbing Mount Improbable contains neither a serious study of any organ nor a sober analytical discussion of any theory. The argument in favor of random variation and natural selection is sustained chiefly by the conviction that it has been defended elsewhere, a point of view evident also in Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea.

The problems confronting evolutionary theory are by no means trivial. We are largely unable to characterize what evolution has accomplished and so logically in no position to determine whether evolution has accomplished it. No very precise definition of an organism is at hand: indeed, no definition at all. Many properties of living creatures remain resistant to specification, let alone explanation, a fact that becomes embarrassingly evident whenever attempts are made to simulate aspects of animal life. Computer models exist that mimic bird flocking, but no one has the faintest idea how to represent algorithmically the fact that the behavior of higher organisms is in some measure autonomous. Our understanding of various biological systems is profoundly incomplete. Vision is a case in point. Inasmuch as the visual system issues in a visual experience, a satisfactory theory of vision must resolve the problem of consciousness. If we knew the laws governing evolution, we should be able mathematically to describe a Darwinian mechanism and by specifying its initial state and boundary conditions see certain portions of the evolutionary record repeat themselves. This would offer biologists the opportunity to do what is commonly done in astrophysics, and that is to compare such simulations with the real world. We can do no such thing. The discipline hilariously described as artificial life, a worthy successor, no doubt, to artificial intelligence, has succeeded only in showing that where simulations proceed according to Darwinian algorithms, nothing life-like can be expected; and where something life-like can be expected, simulations have not proceeded according to Darwinian algorithms.

From a mathematical point of view, Darwinian theories appear far too weak to have brought about the remarkable structures evident in living creatures. Finite state automata and finite state Markov processes are systems of generous and demonstrable inadequacy in psychology, a circumstance that evolutionary biologists tend to ignore, perhaps because it embodies facts with which they are not acquainted.

Curiously enough, biologists are sometimes prepared to endorse these harsh conclusions, as long as the gross deficiencies in Darwinian theory may respectfully be represented as work in progress. In a recent issue of Science,1 a quartet of theoretical biologists survey what is currently absent from evolutionary theory. Interesting mathematical models. An explanation for the evolutionary increase in information and complexity. Any plausible account of biological organization. An explanation of the major macro-evolutionary changes: the emergence of life, the appearance of eukaryotic cells, the human capacity for language. Theories of variation and theories of development.

In the largest sense, we do not know whether life is determined by the laws of physics and chemistry, or whether it is consistent with but independent of those laws, or whether it is the expression of a profound but inscrutable design. Dogmatic assertions in the face of ignorance express nothing more than a lack of interest in rational inquiry. It is for this reason that otherwise sympathetic observers have come to the conclusion that Richard Dawkins is motivated as much by a theological agenda as scientific curiosity.

Now that is the main course I would have wished to see.

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Cordially,

550 posted on 06/05/2002 8:14:39 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Nebullis
Hello, Nebullis. One question only: Has Orr read Johnson?
551 posted on 06/05/2002 12:49:39 PM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Nebullis
Here's an excerpt from H. Allen Orr's response to a number of critiques of his review of Darwin's Black Box

Followed your link and read this one. Gould on God

It was very good!

In the end it is hard to resist the conclusion that Gould has lifted the word "religion" and grafted it onto a toothless, hobbled beast incapable of scaring the materialists. And he seems strangely untroubled by the fact that few religious folk resemble the creature. But surely it is obvious that Gould’s religion is a close cousin of secular humanism.

559 posted on 06/06/2002 7:23:46 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
I have found another article from your link which I consider a gem .

A Third Way by James A. Shapiro

What significance does an emerging interface between biology and information science hold for thinking about evolution? It opens up the possibility of addressing scientifically rather than ideologically the central issue so hotly contested by fundamentalists on both sides of the Creationist-Darwinist debate: Is there any guiding intelligence at work in the origin of species displaying exquisite adaptations that range from lambda prophage repression and the Krebs cycle through the mitotic apparatus and the eye to the immune system, mimicry, and social organization?

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But the neo-Darwinian advocates claim to be scientists, and we can legitimately expect of them a more open spirit of inquiry. Instead, they assume a defensive posture of outraged orthodoxy and assert an unassailable claim to truth, which only serves to validate the Creationists' criticism that Darwinism has become more of a faith than a science.

560 posted on 06/06/2002 8:00:39 PM PDT by AndrewC
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