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The Cookie Crumbles-The Girl Scouts go PC.
National Review ^ | October 23,2000 | By Kathryn Jean Lopez, NR associate editor---------------lopezk@ix.netcom.com

Posted on 05/29/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by GrandMoM

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To: chookter
The standard joke is that you must have short hair to be a Girl Scout leader.
21 posted on 05/29/2002 7:53:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: GrandMoM
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it- an alternative to the Girl/Boy Scouts is AWANA, a Christian-based version of scouting. Their website is www.awana.org
22 posted on 05/29/2002 7:54:10 AM PDT by mafree
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To: GrandMoM
Our church pulled out of the Girl Scout program many years ago. When our leaders announced at a council wide meeting that we could no longer support such a program, she received death threats.

I haven't bought a GS cookie since.

Support your local BSA council by purchasing BSA popcorn. It is available every fall.

23 posted on 05/29/2002 7:55:26 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: RonF;ax
I dont care,I blame hillary for the Ice Age,The fall of the Roman Empire,and the plague of locusts in Egypt oh so many years ago.
24 posted on 05/29/2002 7:56:08 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: mafree
AWANA's is a great organization. My boys did Boy Scouts and AWANA's at the same time.

Pioneer clubs is another option.

25 posted on 05/29/2002 7:59:03 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked
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To: GrandMoM
Having been a Girl Scout 30 years ago, I was shocked and saddened at the decline of the scouting program that my daughter "enjoys". The Boy Scout program is far superior. It is intellectually more challenging; presents more survival, nature, and camping skills; and, demands more real, hands-on activities in its badge requirements.

But follow the money. The cookies are smaller and cost more than inflation would demand. (Berry made a great cookie in the 60's.) A small fraction of the cookie price goes to the troop--most of the profits fuel the council, where according to this article, the lesbians are employed. The troop is required to use up their excess money by the end of the year; ergo, the troop never acquires enough money to make good long-term investments in things like camping equipment. This way, too, the GSA troops do not develop the long-term identity the BSA troops do and the council stays all powerful while the troops remain weak links.

My daughter is still a scout because she needs social contact with a variety of girls. I refuse to sell the cookies and calendars, or whatever the fund-raiser-of-the-month is. After all, I think scouting should be more than on-the-job training for door-to-door sales. However, I can't wait for her to get old enough to join a BSA explorer group and really learn something that matters.

So send the GSA a message--don't buy their darned cookies and tell any parent of any child who asks for the order why they should reconsider the agenda of their parent organization. Without a grassroots movement from the bottom up (or a rapid decline in scouting as a result of demographic changes like a post-boomlet bust), these get-along-go-along spineless mooches will not get it.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 8:00:35 AM PDT by MHT
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To: GrandMoM
About 15 years ago, I was a Brownie Leader. One part of one of the patches that the girls could earn had something to do with racial tolerance; so, the local headquarters had a woman who would go to troop meetings and give the little girls a talk about racial tolerance and after hearing her talk...the troop would be on their way to earning part of their patch.

There were 18 girls (age 8) in our troop, myself, and four mothers all sitting around my family room listening to the woman speak. After a few minutes, she began to speak about Jewish people...I saw her eyes acknowledge a little girl of Syrian heritage...so in my mind I thought (oh...this woman thinks that Kellie is, Jewish). The woman continues to speak about Jewish people...then she asked if there were any Jewish kids in the room...as she once again looked at, Kellie (I guess she expected Kellie to raise her hand.)

A little blonde haired, blue-eyed girl named Summer raised her hand and said, "I'm Jewish."

The woman from headquarters said, "Honey, you're not Jewish, put your hand down."

Summer turned around and said to her mother, "MOM! I am too Jewish."

Her mom confirmed that Summer was Jewish...the woman from headquarters apologized.

Some representative for racial tolerance, hey? She judged the girl's ethnic heritage by their looks.

Idiot.

27 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:26 AM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: cardinal4
....I never thought anyone could hate Hilldabeast more than me!

....one gets the feeling that you really, really, really don't like her

28 posted on 05/29/2002 8:01:31 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I recently pulled out of my church for some similar abuses of innocence. The United Methodist Women's New York Offices have run amok, sending letters to congress to protest the US war in Afganistan and spending "undesignated " mission funds to lobby Bill Clinton to veto the partial birth abortion bill passed by congress in his last year. See goodnewsmag.org for details.
29 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:06 AM PDT by Dutchgirl
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To: GrandMoM
In 1993, the Girl Scouts made "God" optional in the Girl Scout Promise: "On my honor, I will try: To serve God and my country, to help people at all times and to live by the Girl Scout Law."

Interesting, this. The GSUSA is a member of the WAGGGS, the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. If you look over the documentation on the WAGGGS site www.wagggs.org (currently undergoing reorg, with the usual result of bunches of broken links), you'll find that a belief in God is required for all members of organizations that are in turn members of WAGGGS. WAGGGS has accepted the GSUSA's representation that "the fundamental principles" are being upheld. So, while my daughter would say "Duty to God", a Moslem girl might say "Duty to Allah", and this is acceptable to WAGGGS.

So far, so good. There's no intent that WAGGGS membership, or GSUSA membership, be limited to Christians and Jews. However, in practice in the GSUSA, I called up my local Council and asked if they allow atheists. I got something along the lines of "We think that religious belief is a family matter". I asked if a youth or leader came in and announced, "I am an atheist". Same response. WAGGGS says you're not eligible for membership if you're an atheist, but the GSUSA isn't playing it that way as far as I can see.

Understand that membership in WAGGGS's member organizations is about 12 million, and the GSUSA provides 50% of that.

30 posted on 05/29/2002 8:04:36 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
GrandMomM;if you could have seen the look on her face when she was waving the NY Post on the Senate floor last week...........Hillary watched her husband drive our military and intelligence services into the ground resulting in 9/11. Then she has the gall to question George Bush about 9/11. One day Hillary will have to face up to her actions and explain them to God. I believe He has a sense of humor; He will make her spend eternity with her husband.
31 posted on 05/29/2002 8:06:00 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: GrandMoM
Whoops. My mistake. The WAGGGS web site says they have 10 million members world wide. The GSUSA web site says that they have 2.8 million girls and just under 1 million adults as members.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 8:13:05 AM PDT by RonF
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To: GrandMoM
It's so sad....some of my best times were in Girl Scouts...at camp....as a leader, counselor and trainer. Yes, we knew there were lesbians at camp but it never impacted on us. We were having too much fun. I wonder if the kids still have fun now???
33 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:45 AM PDT by Betteboop
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To: MHT
....this really saddens me, as I was a GS leader some 30 years ago.

While I viewed some of the leaders less then feminine,I never thought about them being GAY! ....I guess I was really naive back then.

34 posted on 05/29/2002 8:14:57 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: MHT
I know this is somewhat off topic, but do you remember Berry Chocolate chip cookies? They came in sets of 4 cellophane wrappers to a box, and they were the best. My father had a box always, and it was a special treat to get one.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:07 AM PDT by I still care
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To: GrandMoM
This really makes me sick! I was a girl scout and so was my daughter, but I will not support them in any way again, not even to buy cookies and I will be sure to tell them why when I tell them "no".
36 posted on 05/29/2002 8:17:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies.

Who cares what they do as long as the Thin Mints run on time...;-)

Love the cookies too. But if I had daughters, they wouldn't be Girl Scouts.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 8:18:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bella_Bru
I still love the cookies. In fact, I have 4 boxes of Thin Mints and 2 boxes of Samoas left in the freezer. I'm saving them until fall, when I'll realize just how long it is til GS cookie time.

I stopped buying the cookies 20 years ago.

The cookies are good, but they're waaaaaay too expensive, an very little goes to actually fund Girl Scout activiities. For whatever reason, the Boy Scouts seem to do a better job of providing for the kids. IMHO, GSA is more about raising funds to support the GSA corporate bureaucracy by exploiting child labor to sell cookies.

BTW, I don't flatly refuse to donate. I just don't buy the cookies. Whenever I'm approaced by somebody wanting to sell cookies to me, I make a $5 or $10 cash donation instead. The local troop gets full benefit from my donation without having to fork over 99% to the national GSA and cookie manufacturers.

38 posted on 05/29/2002 8:19:31 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: cardinal4
....believe me, I am not knocking you, just thought no one could hate her more than myself.

....I totally beieve God will get her as well as her red nosed husband.

....I just hope I will live to see it happen!!!!!

39 posted on 05/29/2002 8:21:37 AM PDT by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
My son and his wife took their daughters out of Girls Scouts when they started seeing and hearing things they just couldn't go along with. My neighbor took her daughters out for the same reason and put them in another group. Something like Campfire girls.
40 posted on 05/29/2002 8:23:26 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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