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India, Pakistan Turn Up War Talk
(AP) ^

Posted on 05/28/2002 7:48:36 PM PDT by Dallas

NEW DELHI, India --

India sharply criticized a speech by Pakistan's military leader as "disappointing and dangerous" on Tuesday and asserted that al-Qaida terrorists now are in disputed Kashmir.

The nuclear-armed South Asian rivals also cranked up their war rhetoric after Pakistan test-fired another missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads into India. The HatfII, or Abdali, missile was the third such missile tested by Pakistan since Saturday.

Despite international pressure, India said Tuesday it was unlikely that Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee would hold peace talks with President Gen. Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan.

"You cannot put a pistol of terrorism to my temple with the finger on the trigger and say, 'Dialogue with me, or I will release this trigger of terrorism,'" Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin offered to bring Vajpayee and Musharraf together during an Asian summit in Kazakhstan next week. Pakistan has accepted, but Singh reiterated India would not resume dialogue until Pakistan stopped attacks in India-controlled Kashmir by Pakistan-based Islamic militants.

Also Tuesday, India's defense minister said fighters from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network and from Afghanistan's former ruling Taliban are in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.

"We have information that the number of terrorists who are on the other side of the border ... (are) people who have fled from Afghanistan, al-Qaida men and Talibanis," Defense Minister George Fernandes told Star News Television.

Singh also warned that American forces in the region were not a deterrent to a possible strike on Pakistan.

"The physical presence of U.S. troops in certain parts of Pakistan is clearly known to us ... and it is not an inhibiting factor in policy determination," he said.

Singh also restated India's policy that it would not strike first with nuclear weapons if a war should erupt. "India has not ever spoken of nuclear weapons," he said.

In Washington, the U.S. military was worried that the dispute could interfere with its search for al-Qaida fighters, a Pentagon spokeswoman said. A senior defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there are signs Pakistani troops are preparing to move toward Kashmir from the Pakistan-Afghan border, where they are helping with the search.

After a NATO luncheon in Italy, Secretary-General Lord Robertson said President Bush, Putin and 18 other alliance leaders "share a deep common concern" and urged India and Pakistan "to de-escalate and resume talking together."

Singh repeated India's claim that Musharraf has done little to curb cross-border infiltration by militants and called his Monday night speech "disappointing and dangerous."

"Disappointing as it merely repeats some earlier reassurances that remain unfulfilled today," Singh said. "Dangerous because of deliberate posturing, tensions have been added, not reduced."

Musharraf also said Monday that Pakistan would not start a war, called attacks inside India the work of terrorists and renewed his call for unconditional negotiations.

He warned, however, that Pakistan would fight back "with full might" if attacked by India and would continue to support what he called Kashmir's "freedom struggle."

Pakistan's Foreign Office spokesman in Islamabad responded to Singh on Tuesday by saying India first deployed troops at the border.

"The intemperate and shrill statements by its leaders have also served to heighten tensions between the two countries," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Britain, meanwhile, kept up diplomatic pressure on Pakistan.

"President Musharraf is under no doubt about expectations of the international community to take action, as well as the action he already has taken, to crack down on cross-border terrorism," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said after meeting Musharraf.

Straw planned to see Vajpayee in New Delhi on Wednesday.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since achieving independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over Kashmir. Both nations claim the Himalayan province in its entirety.

The two nations put 1 million troops on high alert on both sides of their frontier after New Delhi blamed Pakistan-based militants for a December suicide assault on the Indian Parliament. The troops regularly exchange gunfire and heavy artillery and mortar fire.

Relations were further strained two weeks ago after an assault on an Indian army base in Kashmir killed 34 people.

Musharraf vowed in January to halt terrorists operating from Pakistani territory. India says he has done little to fulfill that pledge.

India accuses Pakistan of waging a proxy war by training and arming Islamic militants and allowing them to cross the frontier for the last 12 years. At least 60,000 people have died in the insurgency.

Meanwhile, India and Pakistan's new representatives at the United Nations on Tuesday publicly reaffirmed their countries' commitment to peace.

Vijay Nambiar, of India, and Munir Akran, his Pakistani counterpart, both swore to uphold the U.N. Charter -- whose main principle is preserving international peace.

In a statement, Akran called for negotiations. Nambiar reaffirmed India's commitment to the charter, adding his personal commitment "to see that we agree to further these goals."

"We continue to believe that the United nations has a legal, moral and historical responsibility to promote a just and peaceful solution to the Kashmir dispute and, more immediately, to prevent the recourse to logic of war in South Asia," Akran said.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


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To: AM2000
Jesus said that in the last days, there would be lots and lots of earthquakes.
21 posted on 05/28/2002 9:04:39 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: Dallas
Let 'em get it on. Think what an effect that would have on the world's overpopulation problem.
22 posted on 05/28/2002 9:09:12 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: AM2000
See your Nostradamus and he's playing a HAARP!

Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope: antennas send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radio wave beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto Earth and penetrate everything-living and dead.

HAARP publicity gives the impression that the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program is mainly an academic project with the goal of changing the ionosphere to improve communications for our own good. However, other US military documents put it more clearly: HAARP aims to learn how to "exploit the ionosphere for Department of Defense purposes". Communicating with submarines is only one of those purposes.

Press releases and other information from the military on HAARP continually downplay what it could do. Publicity documents insist that the HAARP project is no different than other ionospheric heaters operating safely throughout the world in places such as Arecibo, Puerto Rico; Troms¿, Norway; and the former Soviet Union. However, a 1990 government document indicates that the radio frequency (RF) power zap will drive the ionosphere to unnatural activities:

"...at the highest HF powers available in the West, the instabilities commonly studied are approaching their maximum RF energy dissipative capability, beyond which the plasma processes will 'run away' until the next limiting factor is reached."

If the military, in cooperation with the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, can show that this new ground-based "Star Wars" technology is sound, they both win. The military has a relatively inexpensive defence shield and the university can brag about the most dramatic geophysical manipulation since atmospheric explosions of nuclear bombs. After successful testing, they would have the military megaprojects of the future and huge markets for Alaska's North Slope natural gas.

Looking at the other patents which built on the work of a Texas physicist named Bernard Eastlund, it becomes clearer how the military intends to use the HAARP transmitter. It also makes governmental denials less believable. The military knows how it intends to use this technology, and has made it clear in their documents. The military has deliberately misled the public through sophisticated word games, deceit and outright disinformation.

The military says the HAARP system could:

* give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986);

* replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology;

* be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system;

* provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working;

* provide a wide-area Earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements;

* be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area;

* be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete.

The above abilities seem like a good idea to all who believe in sound national defence and to those concerned about cost-cutting. However, the possible uses which the HAARP records do not explain, and which can only be found in US Air Force, Army, Navy and other federal agency records, are alarming. Moreover, effects from the reckless use of these power levels in our natural shield-the ionosphere-could be cataclysmic, according to some scientists.

Tinfoil magnifies HAARP

23 posted on 05/28/2002 9:29:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: El Gato
Talking worst case. If they blow up the desert, then it wouoldn't be so disruptive.
24 posted on 05/28/2002 10:25:23 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: PsyOp
It ain't a real quake until it gets over 5 on the scale. Anything lower than that is just trucks passin' on the inter-state

Quit spoiling my fun with realistic talk! ;-)

25 posted on 05/29/2002 5:30:57 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Fabozz
Thanks for the clear-minded analysis.
26 posted on 05/29/2002 5:45:06 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Dog Gone
Quit spoiling my fun with realistic talk! ;-)

Sorry, but I can't help it. Remember the 7.0 Santa Cruz Quake that did all the damage in the SF Bay area a few years back, and interupted the World Series at Candlestick Park? The epicenter was 3 miles from where I lived then. For two weeks we had 5.0 to 5.5 after-shocks rumble through about every 10 minutes (and hundreds of smaller ones almost continuously).

You want scary? Try being under a house checking a foundation when a 5.5 happens....

27 posted on 05/29/2002 11:42:44 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
I was standing in the shower one afternoon when a 6.1 struck with an epicenter about 8 miles away. The water suddenly stopped, the lights flickered, and I was on my butt before I had a clue what was happening.

I have a very healthy respect for earthquakes. You were either very brave or very crazy to be under the house!

28 posted on 05/29/2002 11:49:27 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
You were either very brave or very crazy to be under the house!

A bit of both. Had no choice since we had to know if it was safe to stay. Didn't go back, though, until several weeks had passed and the constant after-shocks had subsided.

It really pissed off Santa Cruz residents that the media played up the damage in and around SF, but ignored Santa Cruz where the devastation was more widespread but not as easily accessible or glamorous (not as many people died, but far more were rendered homeless).

29 posted on 05/29/2002 12:21:30 PM PDT by PsyOp
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