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Yes, lets throw out wild scenarios to obscure the fact that Elias was found guilty and knew of pre-prescribed penalties - none of which an attorney has any say over. Restiution is a civil matter, no matter what courts have "ruled". The courts screwed up when they intertwined civil and criminal law. I do not recognize illegal, immoral laws - and neither should you. But you are employeed by the court system, so you wouldn't really care as longs as you are getting paid. Thats what's wrong with the country.

You're laughable. First, you confuse criminal with civil law because you can't discern the obvious difference. You haven't done one iota of legal research to back up your claim that "they intertwined civil and criminal law." How so? Provide your proof--and I'll help you out: Findlaw. Give me a few case cites that the judiciary has intertwined civil and criminal laws and I'll be happy.

But see, you negate your argument by saying that you "do not recognize illegal, immoral laws." Give me a list of the laws you don't obey. If you can't give me a list, give me an overview. How about Constitutional amendments you don't like? Com'n, share with us. I just didn't realize the law and the Constitution had a Chinese menu aspect to them--pick one law from column A, pick one law from column C, but substitute from column B. Interesting approach.

I'm not employed by the court system. I work for lawyers in private practice. They pay me, not any governmental agency. And honey, I don't really need the money. I very much enjoy what I'm doing, and that includes thwapping around silly little boys like you.

I'm sorry, I refuse to argue with someone who has blind allegience to "laws", just because a very small segment of society claims they have a right to make whatever they want "law". I do not have the time to explain the fundamentals of common law to you. You do not wish to hear it anyway. Strict adherence to common law would make our court system exponentially smaller, which would not be good for people such as yourself.

Give me a few case cites that the judiciary has intertwined civil and criminal laws and I'll be happy.

LOL!!! This case right here! Restitution is a civil matter. Come on, you can't be that dense. If the court says, "You pay, or you go to jail", then you have been given the choice of a civil penalty or a criminal penalty. Then you, and the court, have the audactity to say that the victim in this case can sue the defendent and make him pay again. And you wonder why attorneys are the most hated people in the world.