Clouds of War Between India and Pakistan Gather

Council of Khalistan ^ | May 21, 2002 | Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh

[PuNcH]

It is India that started the nuclear arms race in South Asia with its provocative tests

The nuclear arms race isnt limited to south asia. China started the race in that region.

[Dog Gone]

It wasn't until sometime after 9/11 that I became aware of all the separatist movements in India, and the fact that they are actually serious. I think most Americans were vaguely aware of the situation in Kashmir, but never paid much attention to it until Pakistan and India starting setting off underground nukes.

I really don't know anything about the Sikh separatist movement except from the posts you occasionally make. It's hard to believe that the Indians are anywhere near as evil as these articles portray, but I was surprised that the government allowed the reprisal slaughter of muslims in Gujarat to go on for days. So, I guess I'm still formulating an opinion.

India is a fascinating place, but it's obviously still maturing as a democracy after British colonial rule. There is still a lot to resolve, apparently. I don't have an opinion on the Sikh separatist movement, at least yet, but I think I'm opposed in general to the Balkanization of India. It hasn't worked too well in the case of Pakistan, and I think a bunch of small, angry states being carved out of India is probably a bad idea.

Maybe a better solution would be greater autonomy for the various states. I don't know.

[swarthyguy]

a better solution would be greater autonomy for the various states.

Federalisation, unfortunately, has been a non-starter with the Congress Party til 1990 and since then the security situation seems to have precluded serious discussion of this phenomenal concept in helping rule and unite a diverse and huge place. Good point.

[Dog Gone]

Are the two major parties in India the BJP and the Congress Party? I get the feeling that the BJP is a Hindu nationalist party, and the Congress Party is something like our Democrats. Is that close to being accurate?

[Sender]

I don't want any harm to come to either side and I certainly don't want nukes used. But if I had to play God and choose one of them to remain, I'd choose India. I have several friends who are Indian and I like them all. I don't know any Pakistanis. I haven't been to either country. What I hear on the (completely unbiased and truthful) news is that Pakistan is composed of millions of Osama bin Ladens and one Pervez Musharraf. India opposes US power and policies, Pakistan wants us dead. India is filled with people who wish we would mind our own business and/or be more consistent, Pakistan is filled with people who want us dead. You do the math.

[BullDog108]

Yes. The BJP (Bharatiya (Indian) Janata (People's) Party) is a conservative party with traditional, albeit secular values. The Congress party is a bunch of leftwing socialists.

[TheBattman]

Pakistan says it will not start a war with India??? What a load of crap - they already started it - they have allowed (and even encouraged) Muslim extremists to enter India and pull of several acts of terrorism.

I also believe it was the Pakistani troops that started the exchange of fire with India's troops after India chased a large group of terrorists through Kashmir -

[swarthyguy]

Pretty much. Briefly, the Congress Party comes from a background influenced by the LabourParty and Fabian Socialism of Great Britain in the 40's and 50's.

The BJP Coalition has the saffronista component but also, and far more importannt, IMO, includes what was in the 60's and 70's the Swatantra Party; a Pro-business and Pro-US party. Jaswant Singh, India's Foreign Minister comes out of this business/pro-US wing.

[TBP]

No, Pakistan is NOT composed of millions of people who want us dead. That is simple anti-Islamism. Most Islamic people don't want us dead. Osama bin Laden represents a small sector called Wahabis, founded in Saudi Arabia, which is militant and does want us dead. But it's only one of several Muslim factions.

While there are a number of these people in Pakistan, there are many more who support us. India, OTOH, has a long record of anti-Americanism.

Jesse Jackson is an America-hating racist Commie. He is a Baptist minister. Baptists are Christians. Should we conclude that Christians are mostly anti-American racist Commies?

[TBP]

No, Pakistan is NOT composed of millions of people who want us dead. That is simple anti-Islamism. Most Islamic people don't want us dead. Osama bin Laden represents a small sector called Wahabis, founded in Saudi Arabia, which is militant and does want us dead. But it's only one of several Muslim factions.

While there are a number of these people in Pakistan, there are many more who support us. India, OTOH, has a long record of anti-Americanism.

Jesse Jackson is an America-hating racist Commie. He is a Baptist minister. Baptists are Christians. Should we conclude that Christians are mostly anti-American racist Commies?

[Lady Heron]

How many of these are you going to post today from this site?

[Lady Heron]

Sorry I meant to ask that of TBP.

[mhking]

While there are a number of these people in Pakistan, there are many more who support us. India, OTOH, has a long record of anti-Americanism.

Bzzzztt... Wrong answer, and you didn't put it in the form of a question. While India is not one of our closest friends, I would not go as far as to say that there is a "long record of anti-Americanism" especially considering that Pakistan is loaded with Al Qaeda and Taliban members, and that the Pakistani government has done little to actually help us get rid of them.

Let's not forget that Osama bin Laden is more than likely holed up in Pakistan as well. And what has Musharrif and his cronies done to help us find him? Not a darned thing. If anything, that tells me that Musharrif and his government are just as guilty at supporting terrorism, and connecting the dots (that President Bush has laid out for us) from there, they deserve the same punishment as the terrorists. India will just be the ones handling the opening of said can of WhoopAss^®. Thanks for playing; we've got some wonderful parting gifts for you backstage.

[Dog Gone]

Thanks for the info.

Does "saffronista" refer to the Hindu movement? That has been the one thing about the BJP that seems troubling to me. It seems to be portrayed as somewhat of a pro-Hindu, anti-any-other-religion party. I don't know how accurate that is, but I think that would be a bad thing in a country that is fighting separatist movements.

[PsyOp]

I would like to officially nominate Both India and Pakistan for the first ever International Darwin Award!

[Don Myers]

I didn't read every word of this thing, but it seems that someone is talking about Civil War in India.

[swarthyguy]

I think hindu extremism has been a response to the increasing islamic radicalism in pakistan and across the subcontinent. Elements have engaged in some heinous and savage acts against other religions. These seem to have been effectively stopped by prosecution and security measures.

Are they nutty? Sure. They want to stop me eating a steak in Bombay. Fat chance of that happening. But they need to be watched in case they spiral out of control. The biggest factor feeding them is islamic nuttiness.

[keri]

You never get enough... ground hog day over and over in your world.

Here's two posters, if they are so inclined, that can straighten out Dr. Aulakh.

You've heard it all before, but you keep posting crap from Council. I, for one, am tired of you and lies you post. Maybe these guys will handle it. (sorry for the ping fellas. This is probably not worth your time, but in case...)

[Dog Gone]

I think hindu extremism has been a response to the increasing islamic radicalism in pakistan and across the subcontinent.

I suspect you are right. And I think it's a natural reaction. If we proposed a new party in America, the Beat Up Muslims Party, we could probably become a major party overnight. If we added some Christian overtones to it, I don't think it would be significantly different than the Hindu extremists, or even the Islamic radicals.

That's the biggest danger of these Islamists. They are polarizing the planet into factions that each feel entitled, if not obligated, to wipe out the other heathens and infidels. George W Bush had to quickly change his terminology from "crusade" to "campaign" against terrorism because of this exact polarizing effect.

It would an interesting subject for a book someday, assuming it has a happy ending and we don't all blow each other up.

[LaGrone]

Pure BS and revision of history.