FBI objects to the Constitution

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[Admin Moderator]

knock it off.

[Admin Moderator]

not going to warn you again. next time you're out of here.

[billybudd]

Guilt by association, quite a convincing argument. I suppose since David Duke would rather vote for a Republican than a Democrat, the Republican party is just an extension of the KKK. Why the need for this type of argumentation? Clearly, most libertarians are closer to conservatism by their support for free-market capitalism. However, some libertarians (more accurately "anarchists") do not wish to have any social structure at all, or wish to have a minimal socialist state. That's the truth of it. And the CATO institute is hardly "ultra-libertarian" - it is probably the closest to conservatism of any libertarian organization.

[Gigantor]

"Far from preposterous, it is right on the money."

What a well thought out and thoroughly explained position. I can walk away from this thread more educated than before because Texasforever says it's right on the money...

[billybudd]

Yer average FBI agent:
"We have a Constitution? Why didn't anyone tell me?"

[Texasforever]

, most libertarians are closer to conservatism by their support for free-market capitalism

Billy that is not a conservative position that is an economics position. Yes libertarians like capitalism, that does NOT make them close to conservatives by any means.

[Texasforever]

, most libertarians are closer to conservatism by their support for free-market capitalism

Billy that is not a conservative position that is an economics position. Yes libertarians like capitalism, that does NOT make them close to conservatives by any means.

[jonascord]

That might lead to Nullification, the Ultimate Jury Power, knowledge of which is Blasphemy

[Texasforever]

Then why don't they list themselves as a "conservative" organization. Why do libertarians feel this need to assume the cloak of conservative? They are LIBERTARIANS. Why not just be out and proud about that?

[Jolly Rodgers]

Yes libertarians like capitalism, that does NOT make them close to conservatives by any means.

Thank you for speaking truthfully. Conservatives, at least the modern variety like yourself and Cultural Jihad, are not supporters of free market capitalism. As a matter of fact, you are much more enamored of fascist policies advanced by the current administration and as has been exposed in this article, the FBI.

[Texasforever]

Thank you for speaking truthfully. Conservatives, at least the modern variety like yourself and Cultural Jihad, are not supporters of free market capitalism. As a matter of fact, you are much more enamored of fascist policies advanced by the current administration and as has been exposed in this article, the FBI.

List the "fascist" policies that are unique to this administration.

[Jolly Rodgers]

Shall we start with the Anti-Patriot Act? Then shall we proceed to the Federal usurpation of state powers? That should keep us both amused for quite some time. Then we can move on to any of the other multitude of stinking rotten policies advanced by the current leftist/fascist administration.

[DoughtyOne]

[Cultural Jihad]

FBI files motion to dismiss suit, discipline our attorneys for rally speech 

Friday, May 24 -- In apparent desperation at their losing situation in the case, less than two hours after our annual bombing anniversary rally ended, the FBI lawyers filed a motion asking the court to dismiss our suit with prejudice (meaning it could not be re-filed) and discipline our legal team "for gross misconduct affecting the jury."  The FBI motion said jurors left the courthouse just as Tony Serra, using a P.A. system "loudly exclaimed that the assembled crowd ought to 'say a prayer for the jury' so that they would be 'objective' in their deliberations, and also noted that the evidence at trial indicated a deliberate plan by the FBI and the OPD to violate the plaintiffs' constitutional rights. Several jurors slowed and listened to Mr. Serra's presentation." The FBI motion continues: "Plaintiffs' counsel's actions were not accidental, and amount to an effort to influence the jury during their deliberations." KPFA News reporter Bob Stern said he watched the jurors leaving the courthouse, and that they did not slow and listen but promptly left the area as they had been instructed by the judge. There is a back exit on the opposite side of the courthouse from the rally site.

KPFA is a 'progressive' Pacifica radio station in Berkeley. "Progressive' is one of those nonsense words, since both cancer and dementia are said to be 'progressive' at times.

[Texasforever]

The Patriot act was duly passed by the congress and signed into law. It was to plug the holes that all of you screaming about pre 911 are blaming on Bush. Now what federal usurpation of state laws. I think I know I just want you to spring the trap.

[Texasforever]

Any port in the storm.

[billybudd]

Free-market capitalism is the economic side of conservatism (theoretically). And of course, libertarians disagree with conservatives on social issues. But, ideally, social issues would make up a limited part of government policy. Economics is the primary force behind political differences, so it is justified to say that libertarians are closer to conservatives than, say, socialists.

[Jolly Rodgers]

Congress passed it. The stupid bastards didn't even bother to read it first, and I'm supposed to just roll over and pretend like it is something good?