[Hajman]

Homosexuality is not unique to human animals and very similar expression patterns have been widely documented in other species, including environmental manipulations impact on the expression of homosexual behavior in a population.

Certainally you're not trying to claim the weak "everyone does it" argument. Even in most animals, it's known as a behavioral pattern, instead of a genetic trait. Other behavioral patterns include mating with mother or father (see lions), mating with other species (see lions and tigers for their liger or tigon offspring, or horses and donkeys for their mule offspring), canabalism (see lions) and what we would consider murder if humans did it (see about every animal).

-The Hajman-

[tortoise]

Certainally you're not trying to claim the weak "everyone does it" argument.

Get a clue and read what I wrote in context. What I was saying is that there is some fairly solid evidence that homosexual behaviors are linked to environmental factors during fetal development interfering with gene expression. If this was the case, one would not expect it to be specific to the human animal. The fact that we can manipulate the statistical occurence of homosexual behaviors in other mammal populations by manipulating environmental factors lends credence that this is in fact the case.

Rational inquiry into causal factors is valuable if you want to say anything meaningful about how homosexual behaviors emerge. It is utterly useless to approach the foundations of homosexuality with the excuses provided on both sides of the argument. "Homosexuality is a choice" is just as stupid an assertion as "Homosexuals have no choice" absent intelligent inquiry (which is sorely lacking on this topic on FR in my opinion -- most of what I see are mindless platitudes).