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To: sinkspur; All

“Let me get this straight.

An English Mass fosters sins; the Latin Mass doesn’t?

That’s shoe-size IQ thinking.

“Informality” is a nonsenical notion, especially when one equates it with the Novus Ordo. Who are you to decide the reverence of Catholics?

Latin doesn’t equal holy, pal.”

No, you haven’t gotten it straight.

Now, I have been at beautifully reverent Novus Ordo masses, and we are lucky to have a parish nearby in which that is the norm. However, the norm elsewhere is less reassuring. And the informality is indeed part of the problem.

In the words of Saint Thomas Aquinas, “External Actions are signs of Internal Reverence”

Here’s one example: in the Novus Ordo, the Confiteor may be said once, but also may be replaced by a brief “penitential rite”. In our area, this translates into the Confiteor almost never being said.

In the Traditional Latin Rite, the Confiteor is said THREE TIMES, once by the priest, twice by the altar boys, acting as our surrogates. The people say these prayers silently along with the altar boys.

Thus, the Traditional Rite reinforces our self-contemplation of sin and our desire for forgiveness. This self-contemplation makes us more mindful of our shortcomings as we relate to the Almighty.

On the other hand, the Novus Ordo glosses over this important concept in its own “Don’t worry, be happy” way. The Faithful are not constantly guided to self-examine at Mass, leading to less frequent confessions with the attendant grace received, leading to gradual acceptance of the crassness of modern secular life.

It is common to see many people lined up for Confession prior to a Traditional Latin Mass, and not infrequently, the rest of the congregation is saying the Rosary aloud prior to Mass.

If you attend a traditional Latin Mass, you are immediately struck by the quiet, the inherent reverence of the ceremony, and the beauty of the literal translation of the Latin text. And, if you have not heard Gregorian Chant in the setting for which it was written, especially the chanted Communion verses as you contemplate your reception of the Eucharist, you really can’t appreciate the uplifting, often ethereal nature of the traditional rite.

We have lost much in the wake of Vatican II.


110 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:02 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: paterfamilias

You posted to sinkspur.

Sinkspur was a fraud; a modernist heretic who claimed to be a permanent deacon and was not.

He was supported to the hilt in all disputes by the Moderators, right up to the day he was finally exposed. At that point, the moderators forbade any further mention of sinkspur or their inexcusable support for him.


116 posted on 01/15/2014 9:21:16 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: paterfamilias

“It is common to see many people lined up for Confession prior to a Traditional Latin Mass”

The astounding part of that is that it means there is a priest in the church hearing confessions.

These Nooey Gooey churches generally have confession from 1500:00:00 until 1500:00:01 on Saturdays, unless the priest is busy—but of course you can call for an appointment.

When I came back to the states in April 2006 I left such a message more than a week before Easter. The priest called two weeks after Easter.

In Tokyo I could receive absolution every day of the year, either at lunch time or after work.

If you do get absolution by appointment, it’s likely to be in the parish office face to face with the priest.


117 posted on 01/15/2014 9:28:16 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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