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US and France's Love-Hate Relationship
BBC ^ | May 26, 2002 | Hugh Schofield

Posted on 05/26/2002 4:29:01 PM PDT by Shermy

France's recently departed Socialist foreign minister Hubert Vedrine used to explain that the reason France and the United States always seem to be at loggerheads is that they are the only two countries in the world that believe they have a universal vocation.

America sees itself as the defender of liberty - France as the standard-bearer of equality and human rights.

Both countries think they represent a model for the world, and resent the existence of the other.

The result is a sense of mutual irritation that reaches downright hostility at times when - as now - each side starts playing to its own caricature.

Thus for many in France, President George W Bush is displaying all the hallmarks of the gun-toting Wild West sheriff that they love to loathe.

He is, they say, sanctimonious, simplistic and stupid - but worst of all he carries a pair of six-shooters and expects to have his way.

11 September solidarity

Conversely from the American perspective, France is looking more than ever like the champion of a dangerously naive and typically European muddle-headedness.

The outburst of sympathy after 11 September that led Le Monde newspaper - the bible of the caviar left - to pronounce:

"We are all Americans now", has long since dissipated, according to this view.

And instead France is back to its old ways, muddying the distinction between right and wrong with its self-serving intellectualism, and sniping at - when not actively hindering - US policy.

For many in the US, the view of France as an unreliable basket-case has only been confirmed by recent political events.

They say no country which has just seen the worst wave of anti-Jewish attacks since World War II, and the election triumph of the extremist right should presume to give moral lectures.

Vicious circle

And yet there is rights-for-Roquefort campaigner and convicted vandal Jose Bove out on the streets again, whipping himself into outrage at Washington's "logic of war" and its "selfish usurpation of the world's resources".

These two polar views tend to reinforce each other. The loftier America's moral language, the greater the indignation in France and so on.

But it is important to recall that they reflect only part of the truth of a highly complex relationship.

The more positive part rests on the two countries' shared revolutionary past - are not the keys of the Bastille at the Jefferson museum in Virginia? - and on a deep sense of mutual admiration.

Fond memories

As holiday-makers or consumers, Americans adore the French experience, and in the other direction President Jacques Chirac likes to recall his days as a "soda jerk" in South Carolina in 1953 - a job which he says made him a life-long fan of the American way.

No French president would cultivate a pro-American image if it didn't suit his political purposes.

Indeed it is worth remembering another of Mr Vedrine's dictums: that no mainstream leader in France has ever made America-bashing a central part of his platform. There is no mileage in it.

In other words, the French at large are much less anti-American than highbrow editorialists and moustachioed anti-capitalists would like them to be.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; french

1 posted on 05/26/2002 4:29:02 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The French are irrelevant. No one here cares what they think.
2 posted on 05/26/2002 4:32:23 PM PDT by Cautor
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To: Pokey78; drango; knighthawk; dighton; aristeides; orual
Interesting article ping. IMO, the French elites may see themselves as competitors of a "vision", but the US does not view them the same. Just p'd off about their double-playing, investing against America, lack of cooperation.

Plus they are not really serious about human rights.

3 posted on 05/26/2002 4:32:28 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Cautor
I think the French people understand who the enemy is, despite any quibbling about McDonalds or whatever.
4 posted on 05/26/2002 4:33:40 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Love-hate? Yep.

We love their bread, cheese and wine, but hate everything else about them, including their movies.

And we don't care whether they hate us or love us.

5 posted on 05/26/2002 4:35:36 PM PDT by Own Drummer
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To: Shermy
When was the last time France was relevant?
6 posted on 05/26/2002 4:38:03 PM PDT by Janella
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To: Shermy
The French realize that they need us and anti-French sentiment in the US is reaching dangerous proportions. When all is said and done, it is the American 'street' and only the American 'street' that matters. They have to cool things down and make kissy (now, they sure wouldn't want us pulling our troops out of the Balkans in a huff, would they ?). But the hard truth remains that the days when American elites looked up to France are over.
7 posted on 05/26/2002 4:56:42 PM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: Shermy;All
According to people I've spoken with who have traveled to France, most of this anti-Americanism is concentrated in the Peoples' Republic of Gay Paree.

In the provinces, I'm told, residents have affection for Americans, especially in those areas our forces liberated during WWII.

And I doubt the French media reflect the views of their mainstream citizenry any more than do our liberal media.

8 posted on 05/26/2002 6:14:14 PM PDT by macclim8ed
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To: Shermy
Chirac was a soda-jerk in South Carolina in 1953? I wonder how many times he heard, "You ain't from around here, are you? Where you from, boy?"
9 posted on 05/26/2002 7:31:23 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Shermy
They all wear berets and they're all called Jacques,
They even steal from us the words they lack
Le weekend, Le Camping and cul de sac
That's why I hate the French, oh,
That's why I hate the French.

They claim their films are the best we've ever had
Well I suppose Emmannuelle wasn't bad
All their songs sound more or less the same
La la la la la la la la.........je t'aime
Charles Aznavour is always so depressed
Wouldn't you be if oui oui meant yes?

From Rowan Atkinson's "Why I Hate the French"

10 posted on 05/26/2002 8:16:21 PM PDT by lds23
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To: wimpycat
Lol, I bet you're right on!
11 posted on 05/26/2002 8:19:33 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: Shermy
Wouldn't this really be described as We Don't Give a Damn-Hate relationship?
12 posted on 05/26/2002 8:21:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Shermy
France as the standard-bearer of equality and human rights...???? - France, that genuine imperialist nation which up until forty years ago held colonies in south American, northern Africa, and southeast Asia, and gave them up only after being defeated on the battlefield - it is to laugh!.....
13 posted on 05/26/2002 9:05:49 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Shermy
Mon dieu. C'est un bon article (or something).
14 posted on 05/27/2002 11:15:50 AM PDT by knighthawk
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