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To: RogerFGay
In response, Republicans "want to send the strongest possible message that parents cannot walk away from their children."

And this is a bad thing because ............... ?
13 posted on 05/29/2002 1:17:36 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Read the link. The president specifically faults fathers and pities the poor welfare mothers in his bill signing address.

Here's the salient point of the article:

"The system of collecting child support is no longer one of requiring men to take responsibility for their offspring, as most people believe. The combination of 'no fault' divorce and the new enforcement law has created a system that pays mothers to divorce their husbands and remove children from fathers."

15 posted on 05/29/2002 1:27:11 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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This should help clear things up:

A Return to Welfare As We Knew It? The beginning of the end of child support reform

Laura Morgan at the Bottom of the Slippery Slope

The Constitutionality of Child Support Guidelines Debate, Part II
46 posted on 05/30/2002 2:12:38 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Lorianne
In response, Republicans "want to send the strongest possible message that parents cannot walk away from their children."

And this is a bad thing because ............... ?

Their "message" has been so strong that it has had an enormous artitrary adverse effect on all divorced and never-married fathers.

Because as a matter of fact, the policies they support adversely effect all divorced and never-married fathers, their "message" expresses the view that all divorced and never-married fathers are "deadbeats," underserving of constitutional rights, and deserving of capricious punishment from government and others.

As it says in the opening paragraph: You can tell this is an election year because politicians, bureaucrats, and TV "talking heads" are bashing fathers.

And since we know that the child support system is an organized criminal operation, it's a statment in support of government corruption.
47 posted on 05/30/2002 2:55:16 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Lorianne
In response, Republicans "want to send the strongest possible message that parents cannot walk away from their children."

And this is a bad thing because ............... ?

Some of the so-called "deadbeat dad" laws apply to EVERYONE.

Because it supports a radical change in the fundamental relation between government and the people that we simply cannot and will not tolerate. As you must know, this isn't about parents abandoning their children and not paying child support. The US has had child support laws and enforcement since the beginning of its history. Its about corrupt conspiritors seeking arbitrary power so far beyond what is allowed by the consitution that it makes the earth shake just to think about it, for the purpose of making a profit through abusing the population; and supporting the move with a straw man argument aimed at "deadbeat dads."
48 posted on 05/30/2002 3:12:48 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Lorianne
Because it is a loaded statement. Whether fathers abandon children or whether fathers are driven off and criminalized is the issue. The deadbeat hysteria has overplayed itself to the detriment of innocent fathers. The point was made, that fathers are criminalized, convicted and sentenced without trial. These misguided harsh social movements have mirror images in history, and there are always consequences.
128 posted on 05/31/2002 1:54:20 PM PDT by Hostage
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