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To: colette_g; happygrl; ex-Texan
>I wonder if we should all be more worried about the stupidity of people running these operations than terrorists - the stupid seem to be doing a better job than any terrorist

F.R. search on "train" as in wreck

Generally I first suspect sabotage when planes fall apart in midair.  Because of the plethora of recent train wrecks and collisions lately, I would tend to pray and ask God what He is saying.  It looks like the whole world is in for a "train wreck" of judgment on the nature of Noah's flood, but by fire.  People are not arriving at their expected destinations.

Mt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

5 posted on 05/26/2002 5:07:40 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
"Because of the plethora of recent train wrecks and collisions lately, I would tend to pray and ask God what He is saying."

I think he's saying, "Stop watching so much television. With 5 billion people in the world, there's going to be a train wreck every day."

6 posted on 05/26/2002 5:31:19 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: 2sheep
Generally I first suspect sabotage when planes fall apart in midair.

That's what the FBI tends to think too. Those os us that actually fly planes and study accidents know there are other reasons:

But for every plane that comes apart in the air, a lot more are in perfect flying condition when someone slams them into the ground. This is even true for airliners (although certainly a lower percentage than of small planes). For instance, American flew one into the side of a mountain in Cali and United flew one into the Everglades while messing with a faulty landing gear. The Columbians ran one out of gas because they didn't speak enough English to tell the controller they were low on fuel, and smashed into NYC a few years back. Aeroflot lost an Airbus with hundreds on board because the pilot let his teenage son fly it, and the luckless kid stalled and spun the thing! Then there have been several crew suicides over the years (the most recent being SilkAir and EgyptAir 990). Usually it traces back to either a human doing something dumb (remember ValuJet and the oxygen generators?) or some strange combination of events we have never seen before (the rudder actuator problem on 737s, which took NTSB *five years* to piece together for a lot of really good reasons... it was great detective work but you won't see it on TV because it is too complex for TV people's simple minds).

I look at _all_ the accidents. Did you know that two small planes came apart in the air on Thursday and Friday... in Indiana alone? Both pilots were killed. We'll probably know why -- when NTSB is done, in about 12 months. We could make some guesses now, but right now there is a professional investigator working on each one of those cases (and they will get help from the other investigators in the field office, and help from HQ in Washington if they need it, and help from the planes' designers and engine makers, etc.)

It's easy to get a skewed idea of what is happening if you get your news from the mass media, especially the tube. They only report the most sensational and shocking things... so an airliner in Taiwan that goes in the drink gets more play than one in Indiana where there's a small crater in a farm field and one man is dead. We might wind up learning more from one accident or the other when it is all over. Sometimes there just isn't a lot to learn... an old saw in the business is "there are no new accidents, just new pilots having the same old accidents" and there's a lot of truth in it.

In small planes, 85% of accidents are mostly attributed to pilot error. In airliners, it's still over half (airliners are flown by two- or more-pilot crews, flown only by tested professionals who have to prove themselves over and over again, and flown to very specific rules and regulations. These things remove a lot of the potential for accidents. I might add that people in the business relentlessly study these things, to try to learn from them.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

8 posted on 05/26/2002 7:29:04 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: 2sheep
"Matthew 24:39" Please stop quoting scripture out of context. The final verse 39 is prophecying about the coming rapture - when God takes away those who are His. He's not taking people away in train and bus accidents because He's mad at them!

I find it interesting that you only see God as being angry and vengeful. God was - but something happened - He sent Jesus to die for our sins - Jesus paid that price for us - now we are forgiven and God is not mad at us any more. All we have to do is RECEIVE his forgiveness. (This is very simplistic language - hopefully you will understand).

You imply God is doing this stuff - and you are soooooooo WRONG!! "The devil comes but for to steal, kill, and destroy". God does not do this stuff - NEVER!!!

STOP BLAMING GOD!

You can believe what you want, but the God I love and serve is not a killer.

12 posted on 05/26/2002 9:20:50 AM PDT by CyberAnt
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