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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
No, you showed no such thing. You didn't even quote the text of the articles you claim make your case. Of course there's nothing else you can say. I never expected that there would be.

You really should break down and read the document instead of rattling around from pillar to post pretending to know what it contains.

A+B+C= hassayampa indeed. I'll give you credit for the lamest attempt to make this ridiculous case since the last time Walt was drunk enough to try to paraphrase the 10th amendment, though.

678 posted on 05/29/2002 6:08:21 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
No, you showed no such thing. You didn't even quote the text of the articles you claim make your case.

<*sigh*> Oh those who are blind and won't see...

The second paragraph of the Tennessee act of secession says:
First. We, the people of the State of Tennessee, waiving any expression of opinion as to the abstract doctrine of secession, but asserting the right, as a free and independent people, to alter, reform, or abolish our form of government in such manner as we think proper, do ordain and declare that all the laws and ordinances by which the State of Tennessee became a member of the Federal Union of the United States of America are hereby abrogated and annulled, and that all the rights, functions, and powers which by any of said laws and ordinances were conveyed to the Government of the United States, and to absolve ourselves from all the obligations, restraints, and duties incurred thereto; and do hereby henceforth become a free, sovereign, and independent State.

You see that they had some concerns about secession, so they got around it by dissolving their own government instead.

Of course there's nothing else you can say. I never expected that there would be. You really should break down and read the document instead of rattling around from pillar to post pretending to know what it contains.

Constitution, Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Seems pretty clear to me that of the 13 CSA states, only the Missouri legislature (overruled by a popular referendum) followed their constitutional duty.



A+B+C= hassayampa indeed. I'll give you credit for the lamest attempt to make this ridiculous case since the last time Walt was drunk enough to try to paraphrase the 10th amendment, though.

You better get out of the river because you are all wet.  Anyway, you might take a look at amendments 9 and 10 which I've taken the liberty of quoting in full since you don't seem willing to do the research yourself.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

You will note that these basically state that the federal government has certain specific enumerated rights.  Everything else is left to the states and people.

If the constitution is the supreme law of the land, then it is illegal (though not necessarily immoral) for secession to occur as there is no mechanism for such an action.  Neither the 9th nor the 10th amendments apply, since the constitutional duties of the federal government are quite plainly spelled out and the supremacy clause makes it quite clear that the constitution rules supreme over the states.

Your move.  Oh, and BTW, try for a little more substance and a little less ad-hominy grits next time.
700 posted on 05/30/2002 7:32:43 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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