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To: Ditto
You're telling us that the future of liberty somehow lies in defending, rationalizing or excusing the motives of a small group very wealthy men who attempted to create a slave empire?

Ah, tourjours, mon Ditto, toujours le spin! Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, the followers of Calhoun were the intellectual heirs of James Madison, if not Jefferson himself; and the common people who populated the Confederate Army were Jacksonian Democrats. And their defeat was a defeat for the vision of the Founders, that turned their nation of free men into a cage full of clock-punchers. That, dear Ditto, is what I'm saying.

On a purely informal and discussive basis, of course.

586 posted on 05/28/2002 3:34:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, the followers of Calhoun were the intellectual heirs of James Madison...

James Madison sure didn't think so. Did you every read what he had to say about Calhoun's Nullification and Secession theories?

I find it difficult to see any relationship between Calhoon and Madison. Or Calhoon and Andy Jackson for that matter. Madison said that Calhoon's constitutional 'interpertations' were nonsense, and nothing but a formula for war or anarchy while Jackson was more than willing to hang Calhoon and his tribe for treason if he had to. He said as much in his message to the people of South Carolina.

588 posted on 05/28/2002 3:46:34 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: lentulusgracchus
Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, the followers of Calhoun were the intellectual heirs of James Madison, if not Jefferson himself; and the common people who populated the Confederate Army were Jacksonian Democrats. And their defeat was a defeat for the vision of the Founders, that turned their nation of free men into a cage full of clock-punchers. That, dear Ditto, is what I'm saying.

So well said! My ancestors were agrarians and among "the common people who populated the Confederate Army." No doubt they are spinning in their graves at what has happened to their Democrat (read Dixiecrat) Party.

As agrarianism continues to die a slow and painful death -- are we, as a society, better off? I think not. As Gerald O'Hara told his daughter, to paraphrase, nothing is as important as land. The end of the War for Southern Independence was the beginning of the end of Individual land and property rights -- and with it the erosion of independence and self-determination.

594 posted on 05/28/2002 4:27:31 PM PDT by varina davis
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