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To: rustbucket
However, Chief Justice Taney makes a very convincing argument that the power to suspend habeas corpus resides in the Congress, not the President.

I think it would pretty hard to be convinced that the power to suspend HC rested only in Congress.

Congress was not in session much of the year back in this time frame. I don't know, but it seems like Congress was only in session 3-4 months out of the year. Not much of an emergency power if you have to wait several months to invoke it.

I think the people of the day knew that this was not practical, and that is why the Congress refunded the fine that Andrew Jackson paid for suspending the Writ with interest. Jackson wasn't even president.

President Lincoln had all the precedent he needed to suspend the Writ.

Those that think otherwise are just torqued off about the outcome.

Walt

495 posted on 05/28/2002 6:25:16 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
I think it would pretty hard to be convinced that the power to suspend HC rested only in Congress.

Seems pretty open and shut to me unless one believes that the Constitution is a living document, subject to twisting to suit the purposes of those in power. Here are some excerpts from Taney's opinion in Ex Parte Merryman.

The clause of the constitution, which authorizes the suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, is in the 9th section of the first article. This article is devoted to the legislative department of the United States, and has not the slightest reference to the executive department. It begins by providing 'that all legislative powers therein granted, shall be vested in a congress of the United States, which shall consist of a senate and house of representatives.' And after prescribing the manner in which these two branches of the legislative department shall be chosen, it proceeds to enumerate specifically the legislative powers which it thereby grants [and legislative powers which it expressly prohibits]; and at the conclusion of this specification, a clause is inserted giving congress 'the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.' [skip paragraphs]

It is the second article of the constitution that provides for the organization of the executive department, enumerates the powers conferred on it, and prescribes its duties. And if the high power over the liberty of the citizen now claimed, was intended to be conferred on the president, it would undoubtedly be found in plain words in this article; but there is not a word in it that can furnish the slightest ground to justify the exercise of the power.

Congress was not in session much of the year back in this time frame. I don't know, but it seems like Congress was only in session 3-4 months out of the year. Not much of an emergency power if you have to wait several months to invoke it.

Then Congress should have seen fit to amend the Constitution.

WhiskeyPapa, you've endlessly cited rulings by Chief Justice Marshall to support your theories of government. As you no doubt noticed, Taney cites the following words of Marshall in Ex Parte Merryman: "If at any time, the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so. That question depends on political considerations, on which the legislature is to decide; until the legislative will be expressed, this court can only see its duty, and must obey the laws."

Here is Taney again:

...I can only say that if the authority which the constitution has confided to the judiciary department and judicial officers, may thus, upon any pretext or under any circumstances, be usurped by the military power, at its discretion, the people of the United States are no longer living under a government of laws, but every citizen holds life, liberty and property at the will and pleasure of the army officer in whose military district he may happen to be found.


511 posted on 05/28/2002 7:37:43 AM PDT by rustbucket
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