[linn37]

did they get that from him when his nads were caught in a vice-grip or is he just talking jive

[steamroller]

Vise-grips?That wouldn't be humane:)Maybe just a nice drink of agitated Coca-Cola up his nose with his mouth taped shut and one nostril plugged.No marks.No ACLU.A technique used routinely by the Mexican police.

[Plummz]

Either way, it's nothing I'd accept as "evidence" of what was actually happening that day.