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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
i don't understand how any thinking human being would be against pilots having guns. someone please explain the reasoning behind this absurd decision. play devils' advocate. i need to understand.
70 posted on 05/21/2002 8:39:33 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: contessa machiaveli
Here is one reason: because it is part of the Marxist-Socialist approach. They abhor any gun ownership. They must not allow anyone, except the government, to own guns, so they can control the population and force its will on the people.

The Marxist demoCOMMIEs are not interested in protecting the people, they are interested in controlling the people. There's a difference!

Of course, your befuddlement is not unfounded. I am more perplexed at how ANY AMERICAN can support people who are trying to tear our country down from the inside out.

74 posted on 05/21/2002 8:47:52 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: contessa machiaveli
I'll let the words of Captain Stephen Luckey play Devil's Advocate for you. These words are from his appearance before the Subcommittee on Aviation on May 2 of this year.

Rebuttals to Arguments Against Arming Pilots

It has been our experience that the more an individual knows about ALPA’s proposal to arm pilots, the more likely they are to support it. We have found this to be true even within our own ranks. Those who are unfamiliar with our recommendations have raised several arguments against arming pilots that deserve to be addressed. Following are a few of the more commonly raised arguments against a flight deck protection program, and our answers to them.

Ø New cockpit doors make arming of pilots unnecessary. The newly designed, enhanced-security doors that are required by the FAA are not yet installed on the U.S. airline fleet, and that task will not be completed until April 2003. Neither the current cockpit doors (with interim measures in place to strengthen them) nor the new cockpit doors are impenetrable, and we are convinced that a team of trained terrorists could well decide to prove that point. Furthermore, airliners will have only one hardened cockpit door – a door which must be opened during flight to enable the pilots to use the lavatory and gain access to the passenger cabin as required for other purposes. Any passageway into the cockpit, no matter how well fortified, still holds the potential of a threat to the flight deck.

It is worth noting that the respected airline, El Al, uses two doors on all of its aircraft to protect the flight deck, along with a team of air marshals on each flight and an armed guard who protects an entrance zone in front of the door near the passengers. Per El Al procedures, the doors are never opened simultaneously to help ensure that unauthorized access to the flight deck is denied. While we strongly support the installation of a new, hardened flight deck door on U.S. aircraft as an additional layer of security, we should not fool ourselves into thinking that they are sufficient to protect the flight crew under all circumstances.

Ø The cost of arming and training pilots is too high. There is no question that there will be some expense associated with training pilots and equipping them with firearms. The program that we envision would require 48 hours of intensive training with recurrent proficiency training to be conducted at least annually. However, from the research that we have done on this issue, the cost of training and equipping pilots to carry firearms is the most efficient and cost-effective measure that the airlines can take to guard against further hijackings, bar none. In fact, these costs will be a mere fraction of the billions proposed for other, less effective security enhancements. The Young/Mica bill even proposes that the government pay the cost of training, which relieves the airlines from any cost concerns. Lastly, we must consider how many billions of dollars have been drained, and will be drained, from the national economy because airline pilots were not armed on September 11, 2001.

Ø Airlines face liability if an armed pilot makes a mistake. This concern was satisfactorily addressed by those airlines that allowed some of our members to fly armed for many years, when it was still permitted under the federal aviation regulations. We believe that the federal government’s deputization of federal flight deck officers will virtually eliminate this concern and place the liability burden on the government, where it belongs. We would also question whether airlines are prepared to face a charge of negligent liability for opting not to arm their pilots, should terrorists ever again assault another flight crew inadequately equipped to defend the flight deck of their aircraft. The bill under consideration provides for elimination of liability for both pilots and air carriers as part of the flight deck officer program.

Ø Pilots are too busy flying the aircraft to use a gun. Pilots are trained to do numerous tasks simultaneously – individuals who cannot do so are unable to become airline pilots. One of the tasks that they must be prepared to perform is using fire extinguishers if a fire breaks out in the cockpit, regardless of other pressing duties. A suggestion that pilots should ignore the fire and continue to fly the aircraft would be ludicrous; yet some have suggested that pilots should ignore terrorists breaking into the cockpit and continue to fly the aircraft. This is utter nonsense.

Ø An accidental discharge could damage the aircraft and/or injure someone.

This country made a decision approximately 40 years ago that use of firearms by airborne federal officers was necessary to protect against hijackings. Some of the arguments that have been raised against arming pilots must, to be consistent, also be raised against armed Federal Air Marshals (FAMs), namely: bullets could pierce the fuselage and cause rapid decompression; an accidental discharge could injure or kill someone; or, an aircraft system could be damaged by gunfire. We have, rightly so, made a decision to accept those potential outcomes as manageable risks because there is a need for an armed law enforcement presence onboard the aircraft. No one has more knowledge of what can happen on the aircraft, nor will anyone be more conscientious about using a firearm onboard, than the pilot.

Further, contrary to Hollywood movie depictions of aircraft exploding in midair as a result of the discharge of a firearm in the cabin, virtually no danger exists that multiple gunshots could cause rapid decompression of a transport-category aircraft. The shooting proficiency that we recommend for the flight deck officer program exceeds that of federal law enforcement agents in order to minimize the possibility of a stray round hitting an innocent passenger or crewmember. If a weapon did cause rapid decompression during a struggle for control of the aircraft, that event would pale in comparison to the plane crashing into a building and killing all on board.

Ø Federal Air Marshals (FAMs) on airliners make arming pilots unnecessary. ALPA is a strong supporter of the FAM program, and we envision the flight deck officer program as an extension of the FAMs. However, the number of FAMs is limited and will certainly never be sufficient to provide protection on each flight. A large band of terrorists could overpower the FAM team – difficult though that might be – and turn its attention to the flight deck, using the FAMs’ weapons. Ultimately, the flight crew must be able to defend the cockpit regardless of what other resources may be in the cabin.

Ø We need to keep guns out of airplanes. Incredibly, even a former high-ranking transportation official recently expressed this view on television. The truth is that law enforcement officers carry many weapons on our airplanes every day of the year with very few problems. Many of our members are former military and/or law enforcement officers who have defended this country and its neighborhoods using firearms. To suggest that these brave men and women should not be entrusted with lethal means to defend the flight deck against a lethal threat is, intentional or not, highly insulting to them. The argument to keep guns out of airplanes is also nullified by our nation’s decision to place armed FAMs on flights, as we have already said.

Ø No more terrorist attacks like those experienced on September 11th will occur. This sentiment is merely wishful thinking and cannot be substantiated. In fact, the intelligence community and the TSA strongly indicate that the threat to aviation is still very high.


84 posted on 05/21/2002 8:59:00 AM PDT by Cagey
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