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U.S. Won't Allow Guns in Cockpits
AP ^ | 2-21-2002 | JONATHAN D. SALANT

Posted on 05/21/2002 7:34:17 AM PDT by Cagey

WASHINGTON (AP) - The federal government said Tuesday that pilots will not be allowed to have guns in the cockpits of commercial airplanes.

The announcement was made at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing by John Magaw, undersecretary for transportation security. It followed months of debate over whether arming pilots would be a deterrent to hijackers.

Both Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta and Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge previously indicated their opposition to arming pilots.

Magaw gave no reason for his decision, which was announced in response to a question from Arizona Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the committee.

Magaw said a formal announcement will be made later in the week.

Airline pilots have been pushing for guns, saying it would allow them to confront a hijacker who breaks into the cockpit. Hijackers took over four commercial airlines on Sept. 11, crashing two of them into the World Trade Center and a third into the Pentagon. The fourth crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

Flight attendants, meanwhile, have advocated nonlethal weapons, such as stun guns, that they could use in emergencies.

Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., who chairs the Commerce Committee, said guns would not be needed as long as pilots kept cockpit doors locked while in flight.

"You can put the rule in right now and cut out all the argument about pistols and stun guns," Hollings said.

Opponents of arming pilots have said reinforced cockpit doors now required on all planes mean that pistols are unnecessary. They have also expressed concern that an errant shot might hit a passenger or damage a key electrical system on the plane.

Two House Republicans have introduced legislation to arm pilots and the House Transportation Committee is scheduled to take up the bill this week.


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To: Marine Inspector
PsyOp, will you settle for $2.50?

Hell Yeah.

361 posted on 05/22/2002 7:53:11 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: mattdono; iconoclast; texasforever
mattdono:

I don't know what the President has to do with this,

Quote of the day. - #347 posted by iconoclast

I think that you are taking my remarks out of context. In later posts, I stated that the President has everything to do with setting the policy. I was simply remarking about Mineta and Ridge's comments on the record; that the comments were made by Mineta and Ridge, because there was an inference that it was Bush saying (as in a direct quote) "No guns.". Again, I conceded that he should be setting the policy and, indeed, if this is his policy that I was disappointed.

-- "IF"? -- Only disappointed? - You bush apologists, to be sure, haven't had much time to learn the fine 'bold' art of backpedaling, but enough is enough.
Decisions such as this are made with the FULL concurrence of all levels, -- and the buck stops at dubyas desk.

Hey, what can I say, I don't get it perfect everytime. No one does!

Yep, 'mistakes are made'. We heard a lot of that with the last administration, didn't we?

362 posted on 05/22/2002 7:56:38 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Marine Inspector
Thanx, MI, but I'll stick with the circumstances of my original proposition -- An actual hijacking.

There will be NO compromise here; It's five bucks, one way or another. As good as your information is, it has no bearing on the outcome of MY bet, hard as that is for some to fathom !

The test takes place in whatever model plane is getting hijacked at the moment -- and I get to try ALL the doors . . .

;^)

363 posted on 05/22/2002 9:04:44 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: Grani
Your welcome! Like the guy said, 'coincidence.' Uhuh.
364 posted on 05/23/2002 10:47:39 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Crowcreek; Cagey; StriperSniper; Marine Inspector; PsyOp
Hmmm. Plane pressurized to about 7 psi differential (about 9000' cabin altitude if at FL350). Door is about 6.5' x 3.5'. That's 3276 square inches. Times 7 is about 23,000 pounds of force required to open the door.

Sure you're going to open it.

365 posted on 05/23/2002 2:03:34 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: BearCub
Just tell the stew you're going to play with it next time you go up, I'm sure she'll let you after you show her your figures and tell her it's perfectly safe . . .
366 posted on 05/23/2002 9:29:52 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: Crowcreek
Dude, you're the only one here suggesting you might play with the doors. The rest of us know what a waste of time it would be.
367 posted on 05/24/2002 12:36:09 PM PDT by BearCub
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