Two cigar stores snuffed out (Thanks to taxes)

Buffalo News ^ | 05/21/02 | Bill Wippert

[luvbach1]

Don't forget, lib Dems don't like "big business." And being social engineers, they want to protect from themselves the "little people" who buy boxes of cigars. And if NY state government gets more loot (which it won't) so much the better. It's all good.

[luvbach1]

Don't you think the decision on whether to partake of the "nasty stuff" should be the right of an individual? The onerous taxation severely abridges that right.

[TC Rider]

I still like to go to the Nat Sherman by the New York Public library, although I think I wll start buying online.

Mrs TC and I visit NYC every January and Nat's is one of my favorite stops.

I'll usually let the Mrs. wander off shopping down 5th avenue and I'll find a comfortable overstuffed chair in Nat Sherman's humidor and enjoy a good smoke.

JR's has the right prices, but Nat's is the place to smoke.

[Just another Joe]

Drango, we have already agreed, you also, that you are a hypocrite.
Why don't you go take a walk in your plastic bubble world and trip and injure yourself.
Then they can tax, outrageously, your medical supplies.

[Great Dane]

Hadn't bothered to read your profile before, all I have to say is......... SERVES YOU RIGHT.

[Phantom Lord]

Mrs. Phantom Lord loves to stop in cigar shops when we are on vacation just to walk around the humidor and take in the smell.

[clintonh8r]

Maybe something you like THAT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL will be taxed out of existence next. Or maybe the tax fascists will tax one of your family members out of his livelihood. By the way, this web site promotes conservative values. That would include things like lower taxes, free choice, and opposition to social engineering through tax policy.

[Clemenza]

Mrs. Phantom Lord loves to stop in cigar shops when we are on vacation just to walk around the humidor and take in the smell.

Does Mrs. Phantom Lord have a like-minded sister? Most of my girlfriends have freaked when I have taken one out of the humidor, nevermind when I have lighted one up!

[The Iceman Cometh]

(How does my smoking a cigar on my deck after a nice meal impact you exactly?)

It effects everyone every year when health insurance premiums are determined and then passed on to all of us. In essence, those of us who do not smoke are subsidizing the health care costs of those who litter the CVICU and cardiac cath labs of this country not to mention the oncology wards.

My wife has worked the last 7 years in Cardiovascular ICU, Telemetry, and Cardiac Cath units and one common element for those in the units are tobacco.

Deny you the right to smoke? I wouldn't vote for it.

Make you pay more for your health care based on that? Yep.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

True. The state and federal governments are more addicted to smoking than smokers are. Get rid of tobacco products and they'll still have their hand in your pocket. Alchohol, then junk foods (pretty subjective on that one) will get taxed out of existence next. The only thing left is gas and oh will the feds tax it. $6.00 a gallon gas with 80% of that tax anyone?

[Phantom Lord]

The Mrs. only has an older brother. She is a Fonseca smoker too!

[Phantom Lord]

Make you pay more for your health care based on that? Yep.

Thats not what is happening though.

And you non smokers live so much longer than smokers and collect far more in SS benefits and medicare benefits. Non smokers should pay higher SS and Medicare taxes than smokers since they receive far higher benefits from them.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

It effects everyone every year when health insurance premiums are determined and then passed on to all of us. In essence, those of us who do not smoke are subsidizing the health care costs of those who litter the CVICU and cardiac cath labs of this country not to mention the oncology wards.

I was referring to trying to tax my right to an occasional cigar out of existence. As regards Health Insurance Premiums, I'm willing to kick in for the extra risk to my health caused by my handful of cigars each year as soon as everyone who overeats, overdrinks, uses drugs and doesn't exercise presents me with my rebate.

[3catsanadog]

Shame on you. The good people of New York are only concerned about your health and want, more than the money, that you live long and prosper.

(end sarcasm)

[TheDon]

"Atlas Shrugged" alert!

[RikaStrom]

Be careful Drango, they're coming after what you like next. What will you do then?

[Middle Man]

"Stogie Bros. is the last cigar store in downtown Buffalo. Wings of the World Cigar Adventure, which had been in the Hyatt Regency Buffalo since 1997, closed May 1 because of the drop in hotel occupancy at the Hyatt due to the decrease in travel since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks..."

Just goes to show government is behind most of the ills in society today.

[3catsanadog]

Hey, Mr. Self-Righteous Pious Do-Gooder - I sincerely hope that you never touch anything that could be construed as a vice capable of harming yourself or others around you because after the anti-smoking missionaries get tired of hitting on smokers, they'll be after you.

Have you not heard of the Senator in California that wants to impose an extra tax on so-called junk food?

Since you can point your finger at smokers, I'm sure I can assume that you are 100% healthy, do not ever nor have ever touched or consumed an illegal drug, are not even one pound overweight or underweight, have never or will never drank alcholic beverages more than the safe daily amount prescribed by the medical community, that you have a strict monogamous relationship. I trust you never indulge in risky pastimes such as skydiving, skiing, ATV riding, motorcycling, horseback riding or anything that could conceivable pull muscles or break bones. After all we don't want you missing work and adding to the cost of doing business by absenteeism because that is passed on to the consumer, you know. Or having an accident that would paralyze you and cause you to draw on the public till to care for you.

I trust that you never exceed the speed limit because to do so would put other drivers at risk because of your negligent driving.

[Gabz]

You've got a serious problem there, bud. The folks over at THOSE other sites might appreciate it a little more.

[Gabz]

Typical anti-smoker hit and run tactics.

Can't discuss the issue in a normal, adult rational manner. Drops the bomb and heads for the hills!!!!