US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?

O'Reilly, NY Post, The Diocese Report, others... ^

[aculeus]

As a member of Free Republic, I wanted to raise my head to declare my screen name represents the beautiful Cardinals (birds) that grace my yard, flitting and "clicking," nesting and feeding and carrying on with their very own genetic programs which properly produce PROGENY!!!AMEN

A likely story. As is well known anyone who uses the word "member" in the opening sentence of a reply is actually trolling for a, ahem, date.

Get thee to a bath house!

[nickcarraway]

Doesn't this imply the cleric is non-Catholic?

[Domestic Church]

"Ironically enough, I recall hearing somewhere about seminarians finishing their studies and being ordained without knowing how to say the Rosary. "

They shouldn't have made their First Communion without knowing this!!!!!!! I've got 5,7& 9 year olds who said it with me this morning. If someone doesn't know the Rosary what the heck are they doing in the Seminary!!!! If you truely were drawn to this level of religious vocation you would teach yourself how to do it if no one had properly instructed you in grade school. Oy Vey!!!

[dsutah]

Excuse me, but the media? Surely you are kidding are
you? The very same media, of which several of its members
protected B. Clinton in all his 'sex scandals'? How can we expect
them to be objective? Come on! Many of those in
the 'media' are so hateful to the church anyway.
It's funny how so many people who criticize the media for covering
up for B. Clinton, J. Jackson, and whomever in their behavior,
and trashing conservatives, are suddenly all for turning that
same media loose on the church?

As ugly as it is, I believe the church has honest
people among them, and outside of the church,who
can handle this corrective process just fine. We don't
need the so-called media to do it! Our church has been
through this stuff before, and good people 'took care' of it
just fine! Also note: Sadly, some of the individuals
in the church who are involved in this scandal
will, and already have 'exposed' themselves.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Keep the home Rosary crusade going. We obviously need the prayers.

[dsutah]

Uh, who died and made you their judge and jury?
I think, unless these men have committed crimes, that
God is their judge, isn't he? If they are openly
living a gay lifestyle, they should be put out, of course.
But if they are not, that is only God's business,
isn't it?

What is it that makes some of you assume, that just
because these men can't marry, that most of them are gay?
Was our Lord gay? No, of course not. But he did live
a 'celibate' life; at least as many believe he never married.
Neither did some of his disciples, one of them
being Saul of Tarsus (correct spelling?), for example. The three
daughters of Phillip the Deacon never married either;
as they were referred to as 'virgins' in the bible, I
believe. Those are just a few examples, of course. Were
they gay? I don't think so! So get off your high horse!
This happens in other churches too. Quite a lot.
Aren't you concerned about the innocent victims of those
molesters, huh? And many of them can get married!

Oh, and don't get all arrogant, and tell me I have my head in the sand.
I've been told that, by other 'arrogant' ones, and
I have not. I won't be listening, so don't bother!

[Domestic Church]

" Bishop Bruskewitz is doing, the Holy Spirit is blessing. Would that we had about 15-20 more bishops like him in this country! Would that he gets the red hat soon. He deserves it."

And then I hope they place him in charge of every single seminary in this country(he can shut done the rotten ones and clean house in the rest)...I know many want him in NY & Boston but we need him to head up All the seminaries if we want to turn this crisis around!

[dsutah]

No, you're not. I got told, by one of the
more so-called enlightened ones, that I had my
head in the sand. I got just about enough
of some of these 'judgemental' comments on here, that
I told them off! I realize that some criticism is due.
Our pastor brought this all up also not long ago.
He was talking about how some of our leaders covering
up all the sex abuse problems, were
still very wrong, although they may have meant well.

But we have to have some faith that this will all be
taken care of. Misbehavior among the ranks of God's
soldiers, no matter what denom., has happened before.
As long as the church has weak human beings in it, we
are going to have behavior problems. But I strongly believe,
that like before, there will be capable leaders with the least
sin, who will be chosen and enabled to start the 'clean-up'
efforts. But the lay people should and must help, instead
of sitting and crabbing about it.

[JMJ333]

I'm with you. Sometimes I just get frustrated because you try to explain to people is like talking to a wall. They only hear what they want to hear, regardless of information. Keep up the fight. God bless you. =)

[gcruse]

 
That's what gets me.  An organization so
rabidly down on homosexuality contains
a heirarchy full of it.  The hypocrisy is staggering.

Uh, who died and made you their judge and jury?

Uhm....an organization filled with homophobes
turns out to be run by homos.  If you can't see
the hypocrisy there, you are in way deep denial.

I think, unless these men have committed crimes, that
God is their judge, isn't he? If they are openly
living a gay lifestyle, they should be put out, of course.
But if they are not, that is only God's business,
isn't it?

  While you continue to burn fags at the stake, no doubt.
If you are among the gaybashers, this does not apply
to you.  But I suspect you are.  Just a hunch.

What is it that makes some of you assume, that just
because these men can't marry, that most of them are gay?

   Uhmmm....who said I assumed anything?  The church
   itself acknowledges having gay priests and bishops.

Was our Lord gay? No, of course not.

  And you know this because....

But he did live
a 'celibate' life; at least as many believe he never married.

  Again, you don't know that.

So get off your high horse!

You are the one making wild statements.  Rave on.

Oh, and don't get all arrogant, and tell me I have my head in the sand.
I've been told that, by other 'arrogant' ones, and
I have not. I won't be listening, so don't bother!

I won't bother.  A church infused with gays that
condemns gays at the laity is a church unconnected
to its own members.  From what I hear around here,
the laity feels the clerics are unconnected to them, too.
 

[born yesterday]

Homosexuals think differently, whether active sexually or no. No more than 1% or 2% homosexuals, the percentage of homosexuals in the general population, should be accepted into the priesthood. Personally, I would prefer none at all.

[JMJ333]

We are not homophobes. I will explain it, but since you have already told me that life is too short for you to listen then I feel like I am pounding sand by this exercise. Regardless:

Catholicism is in opposition to the act of homosexuality. In opposition to a usage that is becoming generalized I restrict the term "homosexuality" to sexual practices, thus excluding the mere inclination. No individual who suffers from such unnatural inclination and resists it with grace can be called a homosexual, just as no one who resists the temptation to steal or lie can be called a theif or liar.

I'll leave the argument with just that since I have already outlined the rest of what is happening in earlier posts which you won't address.

[dsutah]

Let's not give in to speculation and gossip. It may
be someone who isn't remotely involved in this particular
scandal. Sometimes it's someone who sits there quietly
no doubt hoping that they won't be found out! I realize
C. Egan and C. Law are on everyone's '@!#$ list' right
now, but we don't really know. It would be
tragically wrong to accuse them of it, unless we know for
sure already. Gossip and slander is a sin too.

I have a feeling, I could be wrong, that these men could have
been threatened or blackmailed into covering it up. Not to excuse them,
what they did was cowardly. But in that book mentioned on this
board, called: "Good-bye, Good Men" (right title?) that
suggests that. In this book, there are passages which claim
that some 'whistleblowers' were threatened and
blackmailed, by those involved in the sex abuse. Of course these
Cardinals had feet of clay, but they are human too. Covering up was
stupid and wrong, and cowardly. But they are human too.
They might not have been in a position at that time to
do anything. Or they didn't know what to do. I'll
just bet they will be punished for their ignorance or incompetence
for the rest of their lives.

[dsutah]

Just as I thought. Just had to answer me with a bunch
of arrogant and sarcastic comments, didn't you? Well you certainly proved
my point. And you're the one making rude and uncalled for comments
calling the leaders of my church homos. I
for one have no hatred for people who happen to feel that
they are gay. I actually know of a couple
of relatives who are. I'm certainly not going to turn
against them. And I believe you just can't stand being
challenged on your own views either, can you? You rudely trashed
my post, and ridiculed my beliefs. So that tells me a lot.
But I'll tell you one thing. It's the gay-rights radicals
who have infiltrated the church, trying to make it in their image, that
has contributed to all this heartache, not all gay people.

[gcruse]

 You rudely trashed my post, and ridiculed my beliefs.

It's a nasty job, but someone's gotta do it.

[dsutah]

Yeah, I suppose you will say and do whatever 'floats your boat'.
But be aware that you will have a whole lot of other
posters with sharper wits than I have, challenging you
on your views. Will you be ready to take them all on too?
Or do you think your wit will bowl them all over? Whatever,
I won't lose any sleep over your insults!

[BlueAngel]

It could mean a non-catholic, such as a minister or preacher. I wonder who it could be?

[gcruse]

Will you be ready to take them all on too?

Heh.  You've been here almost a month, now.
Isn't it a little soon to be making enemies?

[Polycarp]

I've got 5,7& 9 year olds who said it with me this morning

My 5, 7, and 9 year olds (what a coincidence!) just said the Rosary with Mrs Polycarp and myself at Perpetual Adoration tonight. All our homeschool group kids know the Rosary from the youngest ages. (There is hope yet. Fr Hardon said homeschooling is the only hope for the Church in the USA.)