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To: texlok
Well, if you can quit contradicting yourself...

I'm not contradicting myself and you know it. You made several accusatory statements about Bush ignoring and overlooking certain factual events. That simply isn't true. But we'll move on.

It boggles the mind!

I have no idea, exactly what pressures our government has brought to bear on Saudi Arabia, because of events on 9-11. I have NO love for the religion of Islam, nor any kinship with the Arab world. In fact, I think they're a bunch of barbarians. I would venture to guess, another occurance similiar to 9-11 and all hell WILL break lose. Its the job of the Arab/Muslim world, to control and police their own people. If they can't handle the job, others will step in and make it happen. For right now, diplomacy and not overreacting is the way to go. America is at war with international terrorism. It's obvious, you consider the Saudi government, to be directly supporting terrorism, at all levels. The Bush administration disagrees with you and since I trust Bush and company, I'll side with them.

Since you've offered no substantive alternatives for the US to undertake at this time, my question to you is, exactly what do you except, President Bush to do with Saudi Arabia? Stop buying Saudi oil? Go on world-wide TV and renounce Saudi Arabia? Demand compensation for 9-11? Demand the Saudi's commit hari-kari? Just what do you want? Should America go to war with the Saudi's, which really means, going to war with the entire Arab-Muslim world?

If you truly voted for Bush three times, how the hell can you give up on him, after a mere 16 months in office? It makes no sense to me, at all. That's irrational behavior? I don't agree with everything that Bush has done since he took office. I didn't support the education bill, the farm bill and signing CFR legislation. But Bush has done a lot of good, for America in his short time in office. I offered just a few of the many, excellent decisions Bush has made and can list many more. Remember the Reagan statement I mentioned in an ealier reply to you.
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later..."

What's the alternative in 2004? Browne, Hagelin, Philips, may be Keyes or Buchanan again? Perhaps Hillary Rotten, Ralph Nadar, or Algore?

Conservatives have to take a stand, but switching sides or joining a fringe third party, isn't the answer. Like Reagan, I'd rather fight from within and get most of what I want, then be on the sidelines, with no influence whatsoever. When you're on the sidelines, all you can do is throw stink bombs and waste your vote at election time.

291 posted on 05/26/2002 5:47:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
When you're on the sidelines, all you can do is throw stink bombs and waste your vote at election time.

Hey, Reagan Man! We call that "throwin' rocks from the penalty box" where I'm from.

Well said!

292 posted on 05/26/2002 5:59:43 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Reagan Man
Since you've offered no substantive alternatives for the US to undertake at this time, my question to you is, exactly what do you except, President Bush to do with Saudi Arabia?

I expect him to do more than kiss their a$$e$, that's what I expect. I don't expect him or any of his staff to stand beside the Saudis and talk about their great friendship and how they are allies in the war on terrorism. To quote you from an earlier post a few days ago: " The US and Saudi Arabia, have had a good relationship for 80 years, that has been beneficial to both countries. We get cheap oil, they get big bucks. Are you going to be saying the same thing if, God forbid, suicide bombers show up in America and the Saudis are paying their familes, just as they are with the Israelis? We do not have a good relationship, they are using us. I don't how to make it any more clear to you. There are so many links between them and 9/11, and between them and the suicide bombers. Bush and Co. talk about Iraq or try and link your local junkies to OBL/9/11. You have bought the spin they put out there. You seem like a patriot, I wish you could see through the spin and see the Saudis for what they are.

If you truly voted for Bush three times, how the hell can you give up on him, after a mere 16 months in office?

When I voted for him, I thought I was voting for somebody who would reduce federal spending, reduce the size of the federal government, veto CFR, would care about our civil liberties, would do something meaningful about illegal immigration, would do something meaningful about education, who cared about family farmers and not corporate farmers, etc. When it became clear to me that all of the above was not GWB, then I chose to go elsewhere.

If enough of us go elsewhere, which considering it's happened twice in the past three elections is a very real possibility, and the GOP is booted out. Perhaps the GOP will look at their roots and realize why they lost in '92 and why they lost in '04.

For me to do exactly as you say, to jump in line and cheer the GOP on (because we want to work from within) means that the GOP is rewarded for their moves to the left. I'm not going to sell my principles out. I expect my political party to do exactly as they say, not hand the liberals everything they want on a gold-plated dish. It's called tough love. Rewarding the GOP for their moves to the left by continuing to vote/support them lets them know it's okay. You want to keep on patting them on the back, that's your right.

300 posted on 05/27/2002 1:28:54 PM PDT by texlok
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