[Junior]

Didn't we have this discussion a year or so ago? Note my definition of morals (I define my terms for an argument so that there can be no weasling out later -- oh how I wish my opponents would take the hint): Morality is the complex interplay between the needs of the individual and the needs of the group, with the group's long-term needs taking precedence over the individual's short term needs. Such a concept is not required to be enforced by God (God seldom intervenes anyway) and exists solely within the social construct of the group.

[AndrewC]

Note my definition of morals (I define my terms for an argument so that there can be no weasling out later -- oh how I wish my opponents would take the hint): Morality is the complex interplay between the needs of the individual and the needs of the group, with the group's long-term needs taking precedence over the individual's short term needs. Such a concept is not required to be enforced by God (God seldom intervenes anyway) and exists solely within the social construct of the group.

Your desire to define words so that they will support your contentions, does not obligate others to accept your definition. You are defining morals as necessarily ad hoc to support your contention that morals exist apart from God. What are a group's long term needs?