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To: My2Cents
Now he KNOWS the truth.....May he find mercy and peace.

What truth? That there is an Allah? That he'll be reincarnated? Pray tell, what truth?

313 posted on 05/21/2002 7:14:52 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
Pray tell, what truth?

The truth you have rejected.

315 posted on 05/21/2002 7:17:52 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: JediGirl
What truth?

The truth of his "punctuated equilibrium." The truth of the origin of life. The truth of the Creator behind the creation. The truth that science, by its own definitions, cannot see the whole picture. The truth that science is not absolute. The truth that evolution isn't science, but is an ideology. The truth that he spent his career distaining actual truth.

365 posted on 05/21/2002 8:52:31 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: JediGirl
The truth of his "punctuated equilibrium."

I should have said the truth of the lie of his punctuated equilibrium. Gould looked at the fossil record, realized that the evidence contradicted classical evolutionary theory, but instead of questioning the theory, he simply came up with a twist on the theory which explained the seeming gaps in the fossil record. Can anyone prove that punctuated equilibrium isn't a total fabrication? Gould, like all evolutionists, hold to evolution as gospel, and promote it with evangelistic fervor, which is why I say that evolution isn't science (it can't be observed or replicated in the laboratory), but is ideology. It's their religion. To believe in evolution requires certain leaps of faith.

386 posted on 05/21/2002 9:06:05 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: JediGirl
What truth? That there is an Allah? That he'll be reincarnated? Pray tell, what truth?

"What is truth?"
Pontius Pilate

Morality is a form of cooperation, but it evolved to help individual groups of humans. It can be applied between groups of humans, but that is not required.

For example, codebreaker believes that only creationists are going to heaven. In fact, he revels in his fantasy of Gould burning in hell. Yet, he would be horrified by the idea of himself burning in hell, with his skin blistering and flesh melting for all time. He can do this because he only applies his morality to his group of people, the creationists. Anything is ok for anyone else. This is exactly what Genghis or Hitler did. Morality, in humans, only seems to apply to the group that you are in.

Is this good, or just? No. It is just true.

I'm tempted to ask, "what truth?", but instead I will simply ask if you are presenting your claim of "society says" morality as descriptive or alternatively, as normative? Morality itself involves notions of "ought" and "should", not merely with what "is", in a descriptive sense.

There are numerous problems with understanding normative morality as a "society says" morality. For example, it becomes impossible to judge or critize another society, if there is no moral law above society. Then you've got the problem of which "society" to obey, the population at large, or just the people with the power to rule? If people have a moral obligation to obey whatever their society presently says to do, then for example, Germans in the Nazi era would have had at that time a moral obligation to participate in the murder of innocent people. There could never be any such thing as an immoral law. If courts and laws define what is moral, then neither laws nor governments could ever be immoral, even in principle, which renders incoherent the concept of moral reformation. Moral improvement under such a philosophy actually becomes unethical, an obvious absurdity.

Cordially,

422 posted on 05/21/2002 9:56:47 AM PDT by Diamond
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