Famed Harvard Biologist Gould Dies

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20020520/ap_on_re_us/obit_gould ^ | 5/20/02 | yahoo

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[Heartlander]

OK – to what shape(s) would your argument NOT apply?

I just want you to tell me how many shapes are actually circles.

[AndrewC]

If my example is as flawed as you seem to be suggesting, it should be trivially easy for you to do this.

Square is insufficiently described. It requires more than four equal sides to describe a square.

[Heartlander]

Yeah - think about it, but let’s not waste too much more of our time. OK!

I’ll be back…

[longshadow]

OK – to what shape(s) would your argument NOT apply?

I just want you to tell me how many shapes are actually circles.

Let me put it this way: all degenerate plane geometric figures (lines, triangles, squares, circles, polygons, etc.), meaning when the linear size = 0, are just a point. But they still technically satisfy the definition for the particular plane geometric figure they started out as, and every other plane geometric figure, as well; hence, when the linear size = 0, they are indistinguishable from one another.

[longshadow]

Square is insufficiently described. It requires more than four equal sides to describe a square.

Absolutely, as I specified in my original reply further up the thread. Equal interior angles are additionally required to distinguish it from a rhombus.

[AndrewC]

Equal interior angles are additionally required to distinguish it from a rhombus

A point has no angles. What geometry are you talking about?

[general_re]

By the way, why do you always smile sideways

Shouldn't you be off lopping the corners off of squares and gluing them onto circles, or something?

[PatrickHenry]

I remain aloof from degenerate geometry. It is auto-proctology.

[PatrickHenry]

Hey hey! I got post 888.

[general_re]

Hey hey! I got post 888.

Awww, and the field was wide open for me to maintain my streak, too. And I dropped the ball...

So. 666 is the Number of the Beast. Is 888 the toll-free Number of the Beast?

[Heartlander]

Day 3:

Draw your ‘one’ wonder object and then tell me why it is a circle, square, triangle, polygon, etc… If there was no shape other than the perimeter line or a point they are not objects other than a line or point. There is no squareness, roundness or triangleness.

You know that in a geometric sense, they still need an equation or they are nothing. Even if they are a line or point there must be an equation or else… what is it – just a line or a point? Are you just going to say, “well it was a square or it’s gonna’ be a circle.” If they have different equations, are they the same - equal to?

But what an interesting degenerative argument you have… everything is everything. Well, I guess that is true, we are all made of basic elements. You are you and a tree is a tree though – not the same. Are you saying you are the same because you are made of the same elements?

Elements = lines, points, (molecules)
Equation = shape, (genes, intrinsic properties)

[Heartlander]

Radius of a square place marker

[Heartlander]

Four equal sided circle place marker

[Lurking Libertarian]

Didn't this thread start out being about Stephen Gould?

[Heartlander]

It has degenerated I regret to say…

[AndrewC]

Didn't this thread start out being about Stephen Gould?

So what is your Point? as I reattach something that fell off

[PatrickHenry]

Awww, and the field was wide open for me to maintain my streak, too. And I dropped the ball...

My transgression wasn't intentional.

So. 666 is the Number of the Beast. Is 888 the toll-free Number of the Beast?

888 is the porn hotline in Satan's area code. Your credit card records deductions from your soul. When it's drained, you're toast.

[general_re]

My transgression wasn't intentional.

That's okay, neither was the streak.

888 is the porn hotline in Satan's area code. Your credit card records deductions from your soul. When it's drained, you're toast.

Ah. This would be what they mean by "substantial penalty for early withdrawal" then. Or is it "premature withdrawal"?

In any case, I've heard that just thinking about baseball can help with that...

[PatrickHenry]

Go ahead and take post 900.

[Youngblood]

Better take a course in logic. Denying God's creation is disbelief. The evidence of His involvement is ALL around us - seen and unseen. Either you believe He created it or you don't... You just can't have it both ways. It is all or nothing.

Not if you're Catholic. So long as we don't see the soul as arising from an evolutionary process, evolution, old earth etc. is acceptable.