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Famed Harvard Biologist Gould Dies
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20020520/ap_on_re_us/obit_gould ^ | 5/20/02 | yahoo

Posted on 05/20/2002 12:53:27 PM PDT by rpage3

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To: longshadow
Pi “r” round - No?
821 posted on 05/23/2002 2:04:15 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
No...circles in an expanding-shrinking universe do not exist---only dissected unconnected(pi) spirals!
822 posted on 05/23/2002 2:11:16 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Heartlander
Pi “r” round - No?

Areacircle = Pi (r)squared......

823 posted on 05/23/2002 2:16:39 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Yes, it appears I am the straight man.

Very good :)

824 posted on 05/23/2002 2:19:14 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Aquinasfan; Heartlander; general_re
Now tell me how a thing can simultaneously be both a square and a circle.

I've been waiting hours for some to ask...... actually, I assumed someone would have pointed this out long ago.

A degenerate square has sides of length = 0.

A degenerate circle has radius = 0.

As such they consist of a single point. In the degenerate sense, the point is both four sides of length = 0 AND equidistant from itself. It therefore technically satisfies the definition of BOTH a square AND a circle.

It's not a fancy trick; it's just a ramification of the definitions for square and circle. They don't exclude the dengenerate case.

825 posted on 05/23/2002 2:26:48 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Heartlander
Pi ?r? round - No?

Yes. Cornbread is square.

826 posted on 05/23/2002 2:29:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: longshadow
Degenerate placemarker.
827 posted on 05/23/2002 2:32:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: longshadow
It's not a fancy trick; it's just a ramification of the definitions for square and circle. They don't exclude the dengenerate case.

We don't allow degeneracy on this board!

828 posted on 05/23/2002 2:32:49 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: PatrickHenry
Degenerate placemarker.

I resemble that reply!

829 posted on 05/23/2002 2:45:54 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: jennyp
We don't allow degeneracy on this board!

This brings to mind the image of an aging man dressed in long raincoat, hanging out in the shadows behind the Math Department whispering to passers-by:

"Pssst! Wanna buy some degenerate geometric figures?"

830 posted on 05/23/2002 2:50:11 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Condorman
I saw the Simpson's. Sorry I posted ahead of you (#811), but after 800+ it's hard to catch everything
831 posted on 05/23/2002 2:50:35 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: longshadow
My big problem is to select the proper color for your "Degenerate Placemarker." It has to be some kind of lavender shade, or perhaps pink. I'd like your opinion on these:
Degenerate Placemarker (purple)
Degenerate Placemarker (blueviolet)
Degenerate Placemarker (Darkorchid)
Degenerate Placemarker (deeppink)
Degenerate Placemarker (hotpink)
Degenerate Placemarker (Fuchsia)
Degenerate Placemarker (Magenta)
Degenerate Placemarker (violet)
Degenerate Placemarker (Plum)
Fucia seems best, wouldn't you agree?
832 posted on 05/23/2002 2:58:26 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: AndrewC
To me this whole sequence is equivalent to saying God cannot multiply two even numbers together and get an odd result, therefore He is not all powerful.

And which part do you object to in that - the premise, or the conclusion?

833 posted on 05/23/2002 3:04:28 PM PDT by general_re
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To: PatrickHenry
You know, my eyes must be going, because no matter how I tweak my monitor, I can't see a difference between fuchsia and magenta in your post...
834 posted on 05/23/2002 3:06:41 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Both
835 posted on 05/23/2002 3:10:38 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: general_re
I can't see a difference between fuchsia and magenta in your post

They are synonymous color codes FF00FF

836 posted on 05/23/2002 3:26:15 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: longshadow
They don't exclude the dengenerate case.

Cub Scout geometric figures?

837 posted on 05/23/2002 3:27:59 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: longshadow
Are you serious? I always stated a “perfect circle”. But that’s still not the point, I defined intrinsic for you and cited examples: “Do you stick square pegs in round holes? Drive on square tires or triangular tires? I guess you are one of those guys that I’ve heard about that actually believes the earth is square.”

But you pick and chose what you want and then add to it, much like those who try to prove evolution. It is appropriate that the word that was added is “degenerated”.

It seems this argument has gone full ‘circle’. (or is it square)
Methinks ‘you are’ a weasel.

838 posted on 05/23/2002 3:34:59 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: PatrickHenry
The square earth place marker.
839 posted on 05/23/2002 3:35:55 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Aquinasfan
Your parlor games are getting boring...

I think you are not satisfactorily interacting with my arguments.

Here is my answer.

No. The term "square circle" is meaningless rendering the proposition meaningless.

Nonsense. You yourself gave it meaning in post #808 - to wit:

Now tell me how a thing can simultaneously be both a square and a circle.

Obviously a "square circle" is something that is simultaneously both a square and a circle. You have thoughtfully defined what a square circle is for us - for you to claim that it is "meaningless" is equivalent to labeling your own post 808 as "meaningless". Was it? If the whole thing is "meaningless", why do you persist in asking questions you yourself consider to be meaningless?

And worst of all, if the very concept of a "square circle" is meaningless, then your assertion that God can't make one is equally meaningless.

Try this one on. "God can/cannot make an asehcweiwde," where "asehcweiwde" is clearly, obviously meaningless. You want me to accept that the statement "God can make an asehcweiwde" is meaningless, but the statement "God cannot make an asehcweiwde" is somehow meaningful?

First you tell me that "square circles" are meaningless. Then you define them. You assert that the statement that God cannot make one is valid. Then you assert that the statement that God can make one is invalid.

Absurd. Ridiculous. I beg of you, sir - do not engage in this foolishness. This is simple, rank casuistry, and it does not become you. Do not litter your posts with such sophistic nonsense. If the concept is meaningless, then leave it off the thread - we discuss meaningful things here. When you have something meaningful to say, I will again entertain your posts.

No. Gravity is not a logical proposition. Gravity Logic is a natural phenomenon. Since God sustains this phenomenon in its existence, he can suspend the phenomenon according to his Wisdom. It's his prerogative as Creator.

Again, "God can make 2 + 2 = 5" considered as a statement is not a coherent assertion but not merely a grouping of words.

You have misspoken, I think, therefore I have corrected your errors accordingly. I find that my bare, unsupported assertion here is much more tolerable than your original bare, unsupported assertion.

Of course, since they're both nothing more than assertions, it's just a personal preference, I suppose...

Here's an interesting paradox that I just realized. God's Revelation tells us that "being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death? even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:8)." Certainly God in some sense humbled Himself to become man.

"Certainly"? You were there, were you?

How can this paradox be resolved?

I don't see a paradox that needs resolution, since I find the whole thing absurd on its face. It's your book - you figure it out.

Perhaps because Jesus humbled himself in taking on human nature while still retaining all of his power in his divine nature.

Perhaps it didn't happen in the first place. That would certainly also resolve this "paradox", wouldn't it?

840 posted on 05/23/2002 3:49:42 PM PDT by general_re
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