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WHY A HIGH SOCIETY IS A FREE SOCIETY
The Guardian UK ^ | 5/19/02 | A C Grayling

Posted on 05/18/2002 7:44:57 PM PDT by LarryLied

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To: Buckeroo
Horsefeathers. Your recitation is a waste of BS government parlance.

Too much information Buck? Damn that hurts don't it. LOL

181 posted on 05/18/2002 11:37:00 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
Your post, #173, is full of BS.
182 posted on 05/18/2002 11:38:15 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: budwiesest
The Supreme Court unanimously held that the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, passed into law by the elected Representatives of the entire United States, bans the manufacture and distribution of marijuana and contains no exception for the medical use of marijuana.

Should I post the CSA findings?

183 posted on 05/18/2002 11:38:43 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
Look, if I want to smoke marijuana, I will. So will ANYONE. It is easily obtainable from the earth.
184 posted on 05/18/2002 11:40:10 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
You have no facts to refute what I posted, except to ridicule them and call it BS!

Come on, show us the facts to dispute those which I have posted.

Put up or shut up!

185 posted on 05/18/2002 11:40:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Buckeroo
Your post, #173, is full of BS.

It's a quote from the article you're trying to defend, Buckeroo.

186 posted on 05/18/2002 11:40:18 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Buckeroo
Look, if I want to smoke marijuana, I will.

Maybe JimRob should have a rule against posting while under the influence of illegal drugs.

187 posted on 05/18/2002 11:41:34 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
The Medical Pot initiative was in direct conflict with the Constitutional supremacy clause laid out by the founders.

The Supreme Court agreed with you eight to zip.

188 posted on 05/18/2002 11:43:29 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: LarryLied
This thread is a hoot, the libertarians are siding with the left-wing fringe newspaper- The Guardian. I guess the political extremes have more in common than a person would at first guess. It reminds me of the riots in Germany a few years ago where the communists (really big government) were rioting with the anarchists (no government).
189 posted on 05/18/2002 11:43:47 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Buckeroo
Look, if I want to smoke marijuana, I will. So will ANYONE. It is easily obtainable from the earth.

And Buck I wholeheartedly support you. I would love to see a mellowed out Buckaroo around here again. Now there is an idea. All of us "statist" "one-worlders" could just take over with a simple weed. Hmmm. Note to self; bring up at next CFR meeting.

190 posted on 05/18/2002 11:44:49 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
LOL!
191 posted on 05/18/2002 11:47:03 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
LOL!

Buck that is good to see.

192 posted on 05/18/2002 11:53:16 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." — THOMAS JEFFERSON

Which makes the quote even less relevant. Jefferson was talking about religious worship.

Thanks for trashing your own "point."

So again you're feigning ignorance that you can't make the analogous leap from, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." jumping to the analogy, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, sit at home and smoke five joints or no god or no joints. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

I even posted the following to ground the analogy... "No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." --Thomas Jefferson

Also, you apparently think it is okay for you to invert Jefferson's context in the first quote. How would you know if your pocket had been picked or your leg broken when the guy across the street may be smoking a joint right now -- how will you know you have been harmed and thus call the police and take the neighbor to court and prove to a jury that the neighbor sitting in his home minding his own business harmed you?

193 posted on 05/18/2002 11:54:35 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Texasforever
The Feds are under NO obligation to recognize any state “law” passed on the basis of “direct democracy”.

I would have to agree, and yet each year big bucks are spent to allow voters to vote on state initiatives that are basically meaningless. I have to wonder though, about the 'states' involvement in issuses such as drugs when I see superbowl ads that portray users as supporters of terrorism. This is propaganda coming from the State (a lifeless entity without the ability to become addicted to anything- unless one is talking about power, perhaps) and as such, one would think, should be neutral in regards to an issue that concerns individual citizens.

What worries me most is that we may fail to see the collaboration taking place between the State and the law enforcement/prison industrial complex. Were I to build my own private dam on a river, I could see how the State might have an interest in protecting the water 'rights' of those downstream. When I'm stopped for a burned-out taillight I do not see how the State's interests are servered by having my car searched for drugs, guns, or anything else. ie. the folks 'downstream' could care less what's in my car as long as I'm responsible with it.

194 posted on 05/18/2002 11:55:12 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Texasforever
When I walk out my door in the morning to perform my chores, I don't check the local listing of new laws to abridge my freedoms. I suspect most folks have the same mindset.
195 posted on 05/18/2002 11:56:26 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: LarryLied
"Paracetemol [sic] is more dangerous than heroin. Taking double the standard dose of paracetemol, a non-prescription analgesic, can be dangerous. Taking double the standard medical dose of heroin (diamorphine) causes sleepiness and no lasting effects."

Paracetamol (note correct spelling) is better known as acetaminophen, i.e., TYLENOL. A double dose of TYLENOL is not normally dangerous; physicians frequently prescribe as much as 1000 mg of Tylenol and Codeine for migranes.


Category
Analgesic--Acetaminophen; Acetaminophen and Caffeine
Antipyretic--Acetaminophen; Acetaminophen and Caffeine


Description
Acetaminophen is used to relieve pain and reduce fever. Unlike aspirin, it does not relieve the redness, stiffness, or swelling caused by rheumatoid arthritis. However, it may relieve the pain caused by mild forms of arthritis.

This medicine is available without a prescription; however, your medical doctor or dentist may have special instructions on the proper dose of acetaminophen for your medical condition.

Acetaminophen is available in the following dosage forms: 

Oral 
Acetaminophen 
Capsules (U.S.) 
Oral granules (in packets) (U.S.) 
Oral liquid (drops) for babies (U.S. and Canada) 
Oral liquid for children (U.S. and Canada) 
Oral liquid for adults (U.S.) 
Oral powders (in capsules) (U.S.) 
Oral suspension (drops) for babies (U.S. and Canada) 
Oral suspension (liquid) for children (U.S. and Canada) 
Tablets (U.S. and Canada) 
Chewable tablets (U.S. and Canada) 
Acetaminophen and Caffeine 
Tablets (U.S. and Canada) 
Rectal 
Acetaminophen 
Suppositories (U.S. and Canada) 



Before Using This Medicine
If you are taking this medicine without a prescription, carefully read and follow any precautions on the label. For acetaminophen, the following should be considered:

Allergies--Tell your doctor if you have ever had any unusual or allergic reaction to acetaminophen or aspirin. Also tell your health care professional if you are allergic to any other substances, such as foods, preservatives, or dyes. 

Pregnancy--Although studies have not been done in pregnant women, acetaminophen has not been reported to cause birth defects or other problems. 

Breast-feeding--Although acetaminophen passes into the breast milk in small amounts, it has not been reported to cause problems in nursing babies. 

Children--This medicine has been tested in children and has not been shown to cause different side effects or problems than it does in adults. However, some children's products containing acetaminophen also contain aspartame, which may be dangerous if it is given to children with phenylketonuria. 

Older adults--Acetaminophen has been tested and has not been shown to cause different side effects or problems in older people than it does in younger adults. 

Other medicines--Although certain medicines should not be used together at all, in other cases two different medicines may be used together even if an interaction might occur. In these cases, your doctor may want to change the dose, or other precautions may be necessary. Tell your health care professional if you are taking any other prescription or nonprescription (over-the-counter [OTC]) medicine. 

Other medical problems--The presence of other medical problems may affect the use of acetaminophen. Make sure you tell your doctor if you have any other medical problems, especially: 

Alcohol abuse or 
Kidney disease (severe) or 
Hepatitis or other liver disease--The chance of serious side effects may be increased 
Phenylketonuria--Some brands of acetaminophen contain aspartame, which can make your condition worse 


Proper Use of This Medicine
Unless otherwise directed by your medical doctor or dentist : 

Do not take more of this medicine than is recommended on the package label . If too much is taken, liver and kidney damage may occur. 
Children up to 12 years of age should not take this medicine more than 5 times a day . 

To use acetaminophen oral granules (e.g., Snaplets-FR): 

Just before the medicine is to be taken, open the number of packets needed for one dose. Mix the granules inside of the packets with a small amount of soft food, such as applesauce, ice cream, or jam. Eat the acetaminophen granules along with the food. 

To use acetaminophen oral powders (e.g., Feverall Sprinkle Caps [Children's or Junior Strength]): 

These capsules are not intended to be swallowed whole. Instead, just before the medicine is to be taken, open the number of capsules needed for one dose. Empty the powder from each capsule into 1 teaspoonful of water or other liquid. Drink the medicine along with the liquid. You may drink more liquid after taking the medicine. You may also mix the powder with a small amount of soft food, such as applesauce, ice cream, or jam. Eat the acetaminophen powder along with the food. 

For patients using acetaminophen suppositories : 

If the suppository is too soft to insert, chill it in the refrigerator for 30 minutes or run cold water over it before removing the foil wrapper. 
To insert the suppository: 
First remove the foil wrapper and moisten the suppository with cold water. Lie down on your side and use your finger to push the suppository well up into the rectum. 

Dosing--The dose of acetaminophen will be different for different patients. Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label . The following information includes only the average doses of acetaminophen. If your dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.

The number of capsules, tablets, teaspoonfuls of oral solution or suspension that you take, the amount of oral granules or powders that you take, or the number of suppositories that you use, depends on the strength of the medicine. Also, the number of doses you use each day and the time allowed between doses depend on the strength of the medicine. 

For oral dosage forms (capsules, granules, powders, solution, suspension, or tablets) and rectal dosage forms (suppositories): 
For pain or fever: 
Adults and teenagers--325 or 500 milligrams (mg) every three or four hours, 650 mg every four to six hours, or 1000 mg every six hours as needed. For short-term treatment (up to ten days), the total dose should not be more than 4000 mg (for example, eight 500-mg tablets) a day. For long-term treatment, the total dose should not be more than 2600 mg (for example, eight 325-mg tablets) a day. 
Children--Acetaminophen dose is based on the child's age. 
Infants up to 3 months of age: 40 mg every four hours as needed. 
Infants 4 to 12 months of age: 80 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 1 to 2 years of age: 120 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 2 to 4 years of age: 160 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 4 to 6 years of age: 240 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 6 to 9 years of age: 320 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 9 to 11 years of age: 320 to 400 mg every four hours as needed. 
Children 11 to 12 years of age: 320 to 480 mg every four hours as needed. 

Storage--To store this medicine: 

Keep out of the reach of children. 
Store away from heat and direct light. 
Do not store acetaminophen tablets (including caplets and gelcaps), capsules, or granules in the bathroom, near the kitchen sink, or in other damp places. Heat or moisture may cause the medicine to break down. 
Keep the liquid and suppository forms of this medicine from freezing. 
Do not keep outdated medicine or medicine no longer needed. Be sure that any discarded medicine is out of the reach of children. 


Precautions While Using This Medicine
If you will be taking this medicine for a long time, especially in high doses (more than eight 325-mg or five 500-mg doses a day), your doctor should check your progress at regular visits.

Check with your medical doctor or dentist: 

If you are taking this medicine to relieve pain, including arthritis pain, and the pain lasts for more than 10 days for adults or 5 days for children or if the pain gets worse, new symptoms occur, or the painful area is red or swollen. These could be signs of a serious condition that needs medical or dental treatment. 
If you are taking this medicine to bring down a fever, and the fever lasts for more than 3 days or returns, the fever gets worse, new symptoms occur, or redness or swelling is present. These could be signs of a serious condition that needs treatment. 
If you are taking this medicine for a sore throat, and the sore throat is very painful, lasts for more than 2 days, or occurs together with or is followed by fever, headache, skin rash, nausea, or vomiting. 

Check the labels of all prescription and nonprescription (over-the-counter [OTC]) medicines you now take. If any contain acetaminophen, check with your health care professional . Taking them together with this medicine may cause an overdose.

If you will be taking more than an occasional 1 or 2 doses of acetaminophen, do not drink alcoholic beverages . To do so may increase the chance of liver damage, especially if you drink large amounts of alcoholic beverages regularly, if you take more acetaminophen than is recommended on the package label, or if you take it regularly for a long time.

Taking certain other medicines together with acetaminophen may increase the chance of unwanted effects. The risk will depend on how much of each medicine you take every day, and on how long you take the medicines together. If your medical doctor or dentist directs you to take these medicines together on a regular basis, follow his or her directions carefully. However, do not take any of the following medicines together with acetaminophen for more than a few days, unless your doctor has directed you to do so and is following your progress : 

Aspirin or other salicylates 
Diclofenac (e.g., Voltaren) 
Diflunisal (e.g., Dolobid) 
Etodolac (e.g., Lodine) 
Fenoprofen (e.g., Nalfon) 
Floctafenine (e.g., Idarac) 
Flurbiprofen, oral (e.g., Ansaid) 
Ibuprofen (e.g., Motrin) 
Indomethacin (e.g., Indocin) 
Ketoprofen (e.g., Orudis) 
Ketorolac (e.g., Toradol) 
Meclofenamate (e.g., Meclomen) 
Mefenamic acid (e.g., Ponstel) 
Nabumetone (e.g., Relafen) 
Naproxen (e.g., Naprosyn) 
Oxaprozin (e.g., Daypro) 
Phenylbutazone (e.g., Butazolidin) 
Piroxicam (e.g., Feldene) 
Sulindac (e.g., Clinoril) 
Tenoxicam (e.g., Apo-Tenoxicam) 
Tiaprofenic acid (e.g., Surgam) 
Tolmetin (e.g., Tolectin) 

Acetaminophen may interfere with the results of some medical tests. Before you have any medical tests, tell the person in charge if you have taken acetaminophen within the past 3 or 4 days. If possible, it is best to call the laboratory where the test will be done about 4 days ahead of time, to find out whether this medicine may be taken during the 3 or 4 days before the test.

For diabetic patients : 

Acetaminophen may cause false results with some blood glucose (sugar) tests. If you notice any change in your test results, or if you have any questions about this possible problem, check with your health care professional. This is especially important if your diabetes is not well-controlled. 

For patients taking one of the products that contain caffeine in addition to acetaminophen: 

Caffeine may interfere with the results of a test that uses adenosine (e.g., Adenocard) or dipyridamole (e.g., Persantine) to help find out how well your blood is flowing through certain blood vessels. Therefore, you should not have any caffeine for 8 to 12 hours before the test. 

If you think that you or anyone else may have taken an overdose of acetaminophen, get emergency help at once, even if there are no signs of poisoning . Signs of severe poisoning may not appear for 2 to 4 days after the overdose is taken, but treatment to prevent liver damage or death must be started as soon as possible. Treatment started more than 24 hours after the overdose is taken may not be effective.



Side Effects of This Medicine
Along with its needed effects, a medicine may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention.

Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur:

Rare

Yellow eyes or skin

Symptoms of overdose

Diarrhea; increased sweating; loss of appetite; nausea or vomiting; stomach cramps or pain; swelling, pain, or tenderness in the upper abdomen or stomach area

Also, check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side effects occur:

Rare

Bloody or black, tarry stools; bloody or cloudy urine; fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated); pain in lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp); pinpoint red spots on skin; skin rash, hives, or itching; sores, ulcers, or white spots on lips or in mouth; sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated); sudden decrease in amount of urine; unusual bleeding or bruising; unusual tiredness or weakness

Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor.



Revised: 08/17/2000

196 posted on 05/18/2002 11:59:31 PM PDT by boris
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To: Zon
...you can't make the analogous leap...

That was your attempted leap.

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." --Thomas Jefferson

Societal rights and obligations differ from "natural rights."

"I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." --Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson wasn't a simpleton, which is why he wasn't a "libertarian."

197 posted on 05/19/2002 12:00:21 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: budwiesest
Dude, you've got to work on the spelling.
198 posted on 05/19/2002 12:01:12 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: budwiesest
I would have to agree, and yet each year big bucks are spent to allow voters to vote on state initiatives that are basically meaningless

They are by no means meaningless when the issue is confined to the state alone. However, when an initiative is passed in direct conflict with an existing Federal regulation, law or policy, then it is, by the constitution, null and void. Individuals cannot claim 10th amendment "rights", only state governments have that protection for actions they take as duly elected representatives of the citizens of their state.

199 posted on 05/19/2002 12:01:18 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Buckeroo
When I walk out my door in the morning to perform my chores, I don't check the local listing of new laws to abridge my freedoms. I suspect most folks have the same mindset.

Nor do I. I have probably violated at least 5 laws tonight but so far, I have them fooled again. LOL

200 posted on 05/19/2002 12:05:52 AM PDT by Texasforever
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