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U.S. Intercepting Messages Hinting at a New Attack
The New York Times ^ | 5/18/02 (for editions of 5/19/02) | James Risen and David Johnston

Posted on 05/18/2002 10:31:35 AM PDT by GeneD

WASHINGTON, May 18 — American intelligence agencies have intercepted a vague yet troubling series of communications among Al Qaeda operatives over the last few months indicating that the terrorist organization is trying to carry out an operation as big as or bigger than the Sept. 11 attacks, according to intelligence and law enforcement officials.

But just as last summer's threats left counterterrorism analysts guessing about Al Qaeda's intentions, and believing that the attack might be carried out overseas, the new interceptions are so general that they have left President Bush and his counterterrorism team in the dark about the time, place or method of what some officials refer to as a second-wave attack. As a result, the government is essentially limited to taking broad defensive measures.

"It's again not specific — not specific as to time, not specific as to place," one senior administration official said.

The officials compared the intercepted messages, which they described as cryptic and ambiguous, to the pattern of those picked up last spring and early summer, when Qaeda operatives were also overheard talking about a big operation. Those signals were among the evidence that intelligence agencies presented to President Bush in August about the possibility of an imminent attack against the United States.

The senior official said Friday that the amount of intelligence relating to another possible attack, in Europe, the Arabian Peninsula or the United States, had increased in the last month. Some of it comes from interviews with fighters captured in Afghanistan.

But despite the disruption of Al Qaeda's operations around the world since Sept. 11, and despite major spending increases and shifts of resources to counterterrorism operations, American officials say they have not been able to fully piece together the clues about Al Qaeda's plans.

"There's just a lot of chatter in the system again," the official said. "We are actively pursuing it and trying to see what's going on here."

The government's frustration underscores the problem in fighting an unconventional foe like Al Qaeda.

Interviews with law enforcement and intelligence officials suggest that in the eight months since Sept. 11 the government has made only limited progress in its ability to predict Al Qaeda's next move, and that many proposed improvements in counterterrorism operations have yet to be put into effect.

This is despite considerable advantages that the United States lacked a year ago. The war in Afghanistan has provided a wealth of new information about Al Qaeda's structure and organization, for example.

In addition, the United States is also interrogating captured Qaeda fighters about the organization's plans. Officials say that debriefings of detainees have in some instances provided general warnings of another major attack that dovetail with the threats picked up in the intercepted communication traffic.

Facing intense criticism in recent days over disclosures that a series of possible clues about Al Qaeda's plans fell through the cracks in the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks, officials say that some significant changes have been made in the way threat information is studied and circulated within the upper reaches of the Bush administration.

For the first time, the C.I.A. and F.B.I. now compare notes on all terrorist threat information that comes in each day, filtering the intelligence through what they call an analytical "matrix" to determine which threats are the most credible and deserve the most attention. Their daily threat report is distributed to senior policy makers, including the White House director of homeland security, Tom Ridge. It provides a structure for debates among senior officials about whether to issue public threat warnings.

President Bush also now receives daily briefings from both the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. George Tenet, the director of central intelligence, and Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, are frequently present during those White House sessions. That way, each agency is able to hear the other's latest advice to the president. Before Sept. 11, he received a daily briefing only from the C.I.A.

Although officials say some potential attacks have been foiled, that has been largely credited to the arrest of terrorist operatives overseas by foreign governments rather than to intelligence gleaned from intercepted communications.

United States intelligence officials said that they began to intercept communications among Qaeda operatives discussing a second major attack in October, and that they have detected recurring talk among them about another attack ever since. Some of the intercepted communications have included frightening references to attacks that the Qaeda operatives say would cause vast numbers of American casualties.

The intercepted communications don't point to any detailed plans for an attack, and even the messages mentioning mass casualties don't refer specifically to the use of weapons of mass destruction like chemical, biological or nuclear devices.

Still, American officials say they believe the intercepts represent some of the most credible intelligence they have received since Sept. 11 about Al Qaeda's intentions. They have provided a troubling undercurrent for the Bush administration as it tries to sort through the hundreds of other terrorist threat warnings it has received over the past few months.

The pattern of intercepted communications that began last October has helped prompt at least five public threat alerts issued by the F.B.I. since last fall.

By contrast, federal law enforcement and intelligence officials say they have been skeptical of many of the far more specific threats they have received from individual informants over the past few months. One of the problems now facing American counterterrorism experts is that they say communications intercepts, while vaguely worded, are often highly credible threat warnings, while the very detailed and specific threats passed on by individual informants are often far less reliable.

Individual informants who approach American investigators in the United States or overseas often know what kind of story will get the biggest reaction. They also often come forward because of hidden motives, perhaps hoping for money or entrance into the United States. The C.I.A. routinely gives its informants polygraph tests in an effort to validate their stories.

But officials say that in some cases they have been forced to take tales told by informants more seriously than they otherwise might, at least in part because officials suspect from the intercepted communications that Al Qaeda is planning something big.

In recent months, officials have issued threat alerts regarding nuclear plants, financial institutions and even specific structures like the Seattle Space Needle and the Golden Gate Bridge, even as some counterterrorism experts privately regarded those threats as not based on solid intelligence.

Some officials say the government's new color-coded threat alert system is less useful than the system it replaced, because it is subject to political influences from appointees who are fearful of being criticized if they fail to pass on every possible threat, no matter how remote.

Yet even as the less credible threats have been widely publicized, the more worrisome and credible undercurrent of intercepted communications has not been made public.

In hindsight, analysts now view the pattern of intercepted communications they saw last May, June and July as a sign of the impending attacks. Those intercepts, coming after embassy bombings in Africa and the suicidal bombing of a Navy ship in an Arabian port, were sometimes alarming.

Their references to mass attacks against American interests prompted a series of public alerts against possible terrorist attacks last summer, including one concerning a possible strike over the Fourth of July holiday. Officials said that they never had any evidence that an attack would occur inside the United States, and instead focused most of their attention on possible strikes against American facilities in the Middle East, Europe or Asia.

After the summer holiday passed quietly without any attacks, American analysts were relieved, but still believed that an attack might be coming. However, they lacked any further details of where or when the strike might come, and some officials began to think that the immediate danger might have passed. Now that analysts are seeing a similar pattern of communications intercepts, they say they are determined to avoid a repeat of that mistake.


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To: GirlyGirl
"Get rid of all illegal aliens. That way, no one can scream "racism!"."

Completely diversifying the nation is the goal by any and all means. Getting rid of illegal aliens is not even on the radar screen.

221 posted on 05/19/2002 8:17:41 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: RnMomof7
"I must fit some profile..fat white grandmothers are a risk to the nanny state"

Yes, you may be right. But those who fit other profiles are part of the new America.

222 posted on 05/19/2002 8:19:07 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
One sign was about not using helicopters in attacks against Muslims.

Unbelievable... just incredible.

223 posted on 05/19/2002 8:31:27 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Washington_minuteman
Why do you think it is A OR B instead of A AND B?"

It's the way it's worded. 802(5) is the preamble to the section which ends with the expression "that--". This leads into 802(5)(A). Run (A) and...

The Definition of Domestic Terrorism in Section 802 of the "Patriot Act" is clearly written as follows;

A,B(i, ii or iii) and C.

The grammer clearly says that all three lettered conditions must be met(e.g., The patriot ate apples, oranges and pairs -- the patriot ate all three fruits.).

224 posted on 05/19/2002 10:06:09 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Pears -- edible fruit.
225 posted on 05/19/2002 10:16:39 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Principled
What is even more incredible to me is that there are Americans who are actively involved in bringing in not only these enemies but others to reinforce them.
226 posted on 05/19/2002 10:17:57 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers;theMayor;weatherman123;Mr.K;one_particular_harbour; revelation 911
Here is what I heard today..US border Patrol in Buffalo picked up Iranian Muslim..fresh to Buffalo from Va....seems he was on River Road and covered with mud..(Blue mud) They asked how this happened..he said he was in a fight at a local marina.. (there has been an alert in this area regarding Arabs renting boats).The BP went to check out the mans story but it was a lie..no one at that marina had seen him EVER

His "Papers" were in order so they had to release him.So it seems the muslims may be looking around Western New York Power stations..

WNY er's...ping the others to watch this area ....We may be half dead up her but we are in NY and we do supply power to the east coast.( GM, Dunlop,the power station for the US and Canada..and many small machine shops are in this stretch of road)..

227 posted on 05/19/2002 11:05:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
All right New Yorkers.... do your job. Stay vigilant.

And PROFILE!

228 posted on 05/19/2002 11:14:13 AM PDT by Principled
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To: RnMomof7
These people seem to love New York.
229 posted on 05/19/2002 11:21:10 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers;Benson_Carter...
I was not surprised at this report from a VERY reliable source..I have considered for some time a well placed bomb could darken the North east..(Niagara Falls power station) Huntley is the local power provider..could they be planning to put all of us in the dark? That would shut down all financial markets..shipping and communications ..think about it...it would take years to rebuild...Please pray

WNYers see See # 227

230 posted on 05/19/2002 12:03:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Principled
"Rather than ask, "do you mean prolifing by government?", you assumed such."

Yes, I assumed that. It's a reasonable assumption. Look, you wrote in your initial post, "Dammit. Protect my family...", which inferrs, admittedly from silence, that you wanted someone, other than yourself, to protect your family. That was followed by: "PROFILE!!". Now, since you responded to the article posted by GeneD, I suppose you could have been asking him to do that, or you could have been asking the subject entity of the article to do it. Nothing about your post would lead one to believe you wanted private citizens in general to enguage in profiling.

You may be wondering why I am belaboring this. Well, because I cannot understand why people will not write what they mean. You see, the crux of my problem, as you put it, is that I believe it is the writer's responsibility to write what he means, and not leave it up to readers to ask for clarification. In speaking, it is often necessary to seek clarification from the speaker, but in writing, the author has the responsibility, and the ability, to clearly state his case, the first time. You could have done that, but you didn't. Ambigiuty in writing is an open invitation to having incorrect assumptions made concerning one's meaning. It has nothing to do with some non-existant perception of my being omniscient. You were too ambigious with what you wrote.

Additionally, gutter-talk drives me to distraction, and yes, I make lots of assumptions concerning people who express themselves that way. From your subsequent postings, once you stopped with the vulgarities, you demonstrate that you can to experss yourself clearly and without vulgarity. This makes me wonder, are you delibertly presenting an image of yourself which is different from who you really are, or is it something you just don't think about much, if at all? Had you not initially posted a statement which contained a vulgar word, my response to that post would have been more respectful. Most likely, I would have asked you what did you mean, instead of following an incorrect assumption.

"You projected your omniscience onto my post to ascertain a meaning other than what is typed."

The above is another example which I believe you didn't write what you intended to mean. You should have written: 'You projected your perceived omniscience onto my post to ascertain a meaning other than what is typed.'

Obviously, I am not not omniscient. Arrogant and stubborn, perhaps. Bull-headed and opinionated; yes, but not omniscient. I realise you were meaning to be insulting with that remark, but please understand, to formulate a really good insult, you must not affirm what you're attacking. Using the word "perceived" would have been more effective in disarming the delusion of omniscience, that you're accusing me of.

There's another reason I chose to beat this dead horse that you ought to know about. I'm sick and tired of all this fearmongering coming out of government mouthpieces in the media concerning "terrorism". It's propaganda and it's disgusting. They say there's an unsubstantiated, yet credible, threat. Then, when nothing happens, they take credit for stopping it; whatever "it" was supposed to be. If something happens, they warned us ahead of time, making the resulting effect less horrible than it was intended to be. It's a clever way to always come out looking like the good guy.

Then, before embarking upon my journey into this thread, I had just come from reading a similar thread where some cretin suggested profiling all the Arabs and then shooting them. No qualification of the statement whatsoever. Just round them up and shoot them. Others were actually cheering that idea. Were they saying what they meant to say? I don't know. Their remarks didn't deserve the question, but I will remember the names. I guess that soured my attitude a bit.

So, I'm constantly on the lookout for something to divert my attention away from that. Usually, I try and ignore one-line posts and those rife with bad language. I'm not known for playing well with others, especially when they project a room-temperture IQ image of themselves through the use of vulgar and/or obscene words. Yesterday, however, your post just rubbed me the wrong way and I unloaded a lot of frusturation on you. I should have just ignored you post, as I did those other I mentioned above, but I didn't. That was wrong, and I apologise for doing that to you.

231 posted on 05/19/2002 12:04:23 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: Washington_minuteman
I believe it is the writer's responsibility to write what he means, and not leave it up to readers to ask for clarification.

Well, see, that's why we have questions. We wouldn't need questions if your world were reality.

Nice try.

232 posted on 05/19/2002 12:06:55 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Washington_minuteman
Had you not initially posted a statement which contained a vulgar word, my response to that post would have been more respectful.

Had your initial post not been 100% condescending, you would have not been labeled smart-ass.

233 posted on 05/19/2002 12:08:14 PM PDT by Principled
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To: FreeReign
"The grammer clearly says that all three lettered conditions must be met ..."

Okay. Still, you won't catch me jaywalking, dropping any banana peels or peeing on any bushes, so long as this thing is law.

234 posted on 05/19/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: Washington_minuteman
I apologise for doing that to you.

Acknowledged.

235 posted on 05/19/2002 12:09:26 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Two minutes to read and digest all that? I am clearly operating at a disadvantage where you're concerned.
236 posted on 05/19/2002 12:12:38 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: Washington_minuteman
Obviously, I am not not omniscient. Arrogant and stubborn, perhaps. Bull-headed and opinionated; yes, but not omniscient. I realise you were meaning to be insulting with that remark,...

Well, it should be clear that you are not omniscient... the other things maybe, I don't know. But the last sentence is the same old thing. You assume I'm trying to insult you with a remark when I was not doing so. Again with the condescending remarks? Do you hate people?

237 posted on 05/19/2002 12:14:53 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Washington_minuteman
Two minutes to read and digest all that?

Why do you assume that I have "read and digest(ed) all that"? More assumptions? Don't you see that's your problem?

238 posted on 05/19/2002 12:16:04 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Don Myers
Sorry to have taken so long to reply. I've been giving Principled someone to beat up on.

If the government policed the aliens and sealed up the borders, then I'd find it easier to trust that it's motivations are sincere. My neighbors are drug dealers and thieves, so I can't rely upon them. That leaves only me. Aren't you glad you're not part of my family?

239 posted on 05/19/2002 12:24:20 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: Principled
"Why do you assume that I have "read and digest(ed) all that"? More assumptions? Don't you see that's your problem?"

I see two problems. One yours, and one mine.

240 posted on 05/19/2002 12:26:23 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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