1999 Study Said Hijack-Suicides Possible

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[PhiKapMom]

My bold in the article! Maybe instead of asking when President Bush knew about this the media should be asking why the "clintons" didn't act on this report. But then ms. clinton has already told us she didn't know anything about the report from the alleged smartest woman in the world who knows it was all Pres Bush's fault!

Wouldn't surprise me if the DNC talking point papers on attack on Pres Bush came right out of ms. clinton's office!

[PhiKapMom]

Looks like another attack against Pres Bush that may end up right back on the Rats doorstep!

[remaininlight]

The Clintonite/LouisFreeh FBI comes out as the lazy culprit.

[gov_bean_ counter]

For the very last time:

It is time to connect the dots for some of our less cerebral friends from the left.

Bush and Co were working on plans for the elimination of the Taliban. There were a couple of problems though.

1. Clinton and the military staff had made no effort to update the cold war organizational structure of the military. Hence the top down (out of cycle) review of the DOD. I feel sure this review was in response to the initial threat analysis provided by his national security team. The necessary changes took time and could not be accomplished prior to 9/11. If they could have been, then the action plan that was delevered to Bush on 9/9 would have been there months sooner.

2. Bush accelerated production of new generation of weapons systems (halted by Clinton) which are now being used to route out the enemy. Had Clinton not halted development, these weapons systems would have been operational in time to be part of a proactive move against Ben Laden. Even given those problems (and against all odds), the Bush National Security Team almost had a mechanism in place before 9/11.

But now comes the really troubling part.

Today we know the Airlines were notified of general threats and intel committees of both houses of Congress briefed on the same issue. The only thing we don't know is who else knew of the President's plan to take on and take out Osama and Co.? There are indications that the attack dates were moved up. Were any of the intellegence committees briefed in this? We know that a few Dems are hard wired into radical Islamic groups. Dissemination of information like this among those groups could have worked its way to one or more of the participants and could have changed the time table for the attack. It appears that the President was moving quickly to eliminate the threat. Who gave away the plan?

[RLK]

The Pentagon, The CIA, The NSA, and others, speculate on every possible senario. The probability or the specific date are not included. The hijacking senario was just one of hundreds.

If anyone had taken action on this particular senario the ACLU would have blocked it and it would have disturbed out policy with the Islamic world.

[deport]

Yep, they may just get bitten again.... Just adding the Latest polling data from 5/16 to the thread......

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War On Terrorism
All data are from nationwide surveys of Americans 18 & older.

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Polls listed chronologically.

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CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. May 16, 2002. N=598 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.
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"First, how much confidence do you have in the Bush Administration to protect its citizens from future terrorist attacks: a great deal, fair amount, not very much, or none at all?"
		Great Deal	Fair Amount	Not Very Much	None At All	No Opinion
		%	%	%	%	%
	5/16/02	38	37	16	7	2
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"Overall, how much do you blame each of the following for the September 11th terrorist attacks: a great deal, a moderate amount, only a little, or not at all? How about [see below]?"
		Great Deal	Moderate Amount	Only a Little	Not At All	No Opinion
		%	%	%	%	%
	The Bush Administration
		7	22	26	43	2
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	The Federal Bureau of Investigation, or FBI
		16	29	24	27	4
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	The Central Intelligence Agency, or CIA
		19	30	27	18	6
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"As you may know, the Bush Administration said today that it was aware before September 11th that Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization had plans to hijack U.S. airplanes. However, the Administration was not aware that the airplanes would be used to blow up buildings, and they were not aware of a specific date or location of attack. Has this made you feel less favorably toward President Bush, or has it not affected your opinion of him?"
		Less Favorably	Not Affected Opinion	More Favorably (vol.)	No Opinion
		%	%	%	%
	5/16/02	32	66	1	1
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"Do you think the Bush Administration did or did not act on the information available to them in a proper way?"
		Did	Did Not	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	5/16/02	41	52	7
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"Do you think the Bush Administration did or did not give airlines as much warning about hijacking threats as was possible?"
		Did	Did Not	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	5/16/02	29	58	13
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"Do you think the Bush Administration should or should not have discussed the fact before now that it had this information prior to September 11th?"
		Should	Should Not	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	5/16/02	68	29	3
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"Which comes closer to your view: no one could have predicted the attacks of September 11th, or the government should have been able to predict the attacks of September 11th given the information available to it?"
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	No one could have predicted			58
	Should have been able to predict			38
	No opinion			4
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"Finally, do you think there should or should not be a congressional investigation into the fact that the Bush Administration did not release this information sooner?"
		Should	Should Not	No Opinion
		%	%	%
	5/16/02	43	55	2
pollingreport.com

[FITZ]

The democrats will have a hard time explaining Clinton's Defense cuts. The threat was more than just a threat in Clinton's terms, there were a number of real attacks.

[ValerieUSA]

On October 31, 1999 an Osama operative working for EgyptAir took control of an airliner's cockpit as it flew out of Kennedy airport and crashed the plane and all of its passengers into the ocean while yelling "Allah is great!" That was more than a clue.

[RippleFire]

1999 Study Said Hijack-Suicides Possible

In 1977, they writing books and making movies about hijacking blimps and using them to kill civilians. So what else is new?

[PhiKapMom]

Great analysis! From everything I have read, it seems that the Congress was given the same briefing as the President and would guess that the Intelligence Committees of both Houses were briefed on the Bush Administration's plans to take on the Taliban and Al Qaida.

That shouldn't be too hard to connect the dots on who has been leaking!

Permanent House Committee on Intelligence

Porter J. Goss, R - Florida, Chairman Republicans

Doug Bereuter, Nebraska
Michael N. Castle, Delaware
Sherwood L. Boehlert, New York
Jim Gibbons, Nevada
Ray LaHood, Illinois
Randy "Duke" Cunningham, California
Peter Hoekstra, Michigan
Richard Burr, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia
Terry Everett, Alabama
J. Dennis Hastert, Illinois, Ex Officio

DemocRATS

Nancy Pelosi, California, Ranking Democrat
Sanford D. Bishop, Georgia
New York Jane Harman, California
Gary A. Condit, California
Tim Roemer, Indiana
Silvestre Reyes, Texas
Leonard L. Boswell, Iowa
Collin C. Peterson, Minnesota
Bud Cramer, Alabama
Terry Everett, Alabama
Richard A. Gephardt, Missouri, Ex Officio

U.S. Senate Committee on Intelligence - Members

	DEMOCRATS		REPUBLICANS
	Bob Graham, Florida Chairman		Richard C. Shelby, Alabama Vice Chairman
	Carl Levin, Michigan		Jon Kyl, Arizona
	John D. Rockefeller, West Virginia		James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma
	Dianne Feinstein, California		Orrin Hatch, Utah
	Ron Wyden, Oregon		Pat Roberts, Kansas
	Richard J. Durbin, Illinois		Mike DeWine, Ohio
	Evan Bayh, Indiana		Fred Thompson, Tennessee
	John Edwards, North Carolina		Richard Lugar, Indiana
	Barbara Mikulski, Maryland

[PLK]

``Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon

The level of ignorance all around is demonstrated by the bolded words. Explosives were not required when airliners just taking off and full of fuel were flown into buildings. I am a nurse, not an aeronautics engineer or a CIA agent, this much is obvious to me at this point. Hello?

[dts32041]

Query, When did clancy write debt of honor?

1st discussion I had heard of an Airplane bomb.

[PhiKapMom]

You are so right! DoD is famous for their blue sky reports! No way that anyone could have taken this threat and been able to stop much of anything. And you are very right about the ACLU. The problem I see is the DemocRATS trying to pin this on the Bush Administration and then ms. clinton having the nerve to say she knew nothing about this report like she had nothing to do with the clinton administration!

[PhiKapMom]

Looks like the original was written in 1997. I cannot believe how many scenarios Clancy writes that come true! Paperback that I have came out in 1999.

[RLK]

The problem I see is the DemocRATS trying to pin this on the Bush Administration

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It's all politics and attempted spin. The only thing I can do is present my own observations. I can't stop various demogogues from distorting the situation. Neither can I stop people from believing the distortions.

[Amelia]

Do you still have a link to the article about airline safety upgrades that were proposed after Lockerbie, but killed by Gore (at about the same time the airlines made big contributions to the 1996 campaign)?

[PhiKapMom]

That's what we all need to do -- present our own observations like on here and to people we encounter. The key is for all of us not to just set back and not speak out when we see something that is so obviously spin by the media and DemocRATS to attack this Administration for their own gain!

[PhiKapMom]

Will see if I can find it -- there was a lot of discussion on here right after 9/11 about that report that Gore killed! Glad you thought of it. Now to find it!

[PhiKapMom]

The story was written by CAL and John Loose. Here it is:

The Cost of Life (Clinton/Gore Sellout of Security for Campaign Contributions) **FR EXCLUSIVE** #3 Thread

[Amelia]

This one is good:

Airline safety flies cheaply, behind politics