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The focus on the liberalization process in the Church in the '60's and '70's is, I fear, misplaced. Many of these abuser priests were ordained well before Vatican II's wrecking crew went to work, which means their formative years in the Church (when perhaps many of them were abused as well) was in the '40s and 50s. The problem is now in the the open, and the liberalization of attitudes since Vatican II has perhaps accelerated the process of lavenderizing the clergy, but as a serious issue this goes back many decades, even hundreds of years. Yesterday someone quoted Luther as having referred to 'bishops satisfied with just the love of a woman anre worshipped as gods' -- implying there was a serious problem with homosexuality in the clergy even then. I don't know, I'm a modern historian, not a renaissance/reformation scholar.

If, as hinted in yesterday's New York Post, there is at least one American cardinal who will soon be outed as an active homosexual, this is only going to get worse.

If, as hinted in yesterday's New York Post, there is at least one American cardinal who will soon be outed as an active homosexual, this is only going to get worse.

It's truly becoming the Church of Sodom.

The focus on the liberalization process in the Church in the '60's and '70's is, I fear, misplaced.

I agree. I don't have a link, but there was an article earlier this week about how many of these priest abusers (men in their 50s, 60s and 70s) had been abused themselves as children. This means *their* abusers were themselves doing it and were "formed" themselves back in the "good old days" way before Vatican II. This can't be blamed entirely on Vatican II, in other words.

but as a serious issue this goes back many decades, even hundreds of years. Yesterday someone quoted Luther as having referred to 'bishops satisfied with just the love of a woman anre worshipped as gods' -- implying there was a serious problem with homosexuality in the clergy even then.

Hierarchies accountable to no one but themselves are breeding grounds for corruption. Apparently, according to an article posted yesterday, the Anglican Church in Canada is on the verge of bankruptcy because of pedophilia cover-ups, and the Australian Anglican Church is being rocked with new revelations there.

A profession that allows trusting relationships with young people is going to have to be put on notice that it cannot, ever again, be allowed to supervise itself.

"I'm a modern historian"

Then you have knowledge of Bella Dodd's testimony before the House Unamerican Activities Committee in the late forties,early fifties,wherein she testifies that the Communist party had placed over 1000 young men in seminaries in Western Europe and the United States. This infiltration had taken place from the twenties to 1942 at which point I believe she left the Party. This certainly goes a long way in explaining much of the cause of this scandal.

In order to control man it is necessary to destroy his belief in a transcendent God and therefore it is imperative to destroy a channel to that God. Since the Catholic Church,established by Jesus Christ to carry that message over time and space to God's children on earth,was the largest institution carrying the message it was targeted for destruction. It is a just a series of baby steps from no faith to no truth to no life.I think that is why the Pope argues so eloquently for the Culture of Life which is what the Church offers,as opposed to the Culture of Death,which is what the world offers.

If, as hinted in yesterday's New York Post, there is at least one American cardinal who will soon be outed as an active homosexual, this is only going to get worse.

Could such a crude and irresponsible attitude from the US Church leaders mean that homosexuality or pedophilia is tolerated and maybe even practiced at the highest levels? It sounds horrible, but with more and more shameful secrets coming out, one begins to wonder....