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Stanley found Guilty! DenverAttorney: Constitution null and void
The Stanley for U.S. Senate 2002 Colorado Campaign - News Release ^ | May 16, 2002 | Michelle Konieczny

Posted on 05/16/2002 6:40:18 PM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: RandallFlagg
No factual reporting about the judge in this article. Simply more bizzare statements from a convicted criminal. I'll side with an honorable judge over a criminal anyday.
41 posted on 05/17/2002 4:23:43 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: LibertyRocks
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42 posted on 05/17/2002 5:04:55 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: VA Advogado
"Stanley is a grandstanding libertarian who is an inch wide and an inch deep in terms of substance. Not unlike your libertarian leader here."

"No factual reporting about the judge in this article. Simply more bizzare statements from a convicted criminal. I'll side with an honorable judge over a criminal anyday."

And this is why the statist left will eventually win.

43 posted on 05/17/2002 5:20:10 AM PDT by Mr. Bungle
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To: Mr. Bungle
And this is why the statist left will eventually win.

Statists are not always right, but when compared to a wacko libertarian in this case, they certainly are.

44 posted on 05/17/2002 5:24:24 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: LibertyRocks
Please send me a ping when you get the court transcript. I'm gonna print out a few copies and spread 'em around...
45 posted on 05/17/2002 6:20:48 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: Glasser
VA, what is the fundamental nature of a weapon? What is the most dangerous weapon in the world? Hint, why is a Blackhawk helicopter in Somalia not a weapon but a bit of calcium in a badger's mouth extremely dangerous?

This has to be the most babbling bunch of nothing that's ever been posted to me here. Please explain.

47 posted on 05/17/2002 8:59:01 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado;Mulder;tpaine
"Statists are not always right, but when compared to a wacko libertarian in this case, they certainly are."

Good god, you're dense.

Enjoy that fine taste of boot leather, pal.

48 posted on 05/17/2002 9:05:30 AM PDT by Mr. Bungle
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To: Mr. Bungle
Good god, you're dense.

You'll defend this lawbreaking clown to the end, wont you? Pathetic. Simply pathetic. YOU are a disgrace to our constitution.

49 posted on 05/17/2002 9:08:40 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: MileHi
Please don't be upset because this is actually great news. If the jury had just found him innocent, there wouldn't be any reason to get this unconstitutional law overturned. There have been a lot of incidences in Chicago where the defendent was pronounced "Not Guilty" but then they wouldn't give the gun back. This is such a travesty of justice, I don't see how anyone can't get this case before the State Supreme Court. In fact, that law is such a mess, I can see the State Supremes declaring it unconstitutional and the prosecutor's refusing to appeal.
50 posted on 05/17/2002 9:17:57 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: sneakypete;ronneil
While the 1st amendment did not originally apply to the States (and they regularly violated it) the rest of the Constitution definitely applies to the States.

The 14th, among other things, made the States abide by the 1st.

Obviously, Denver would not be allowed to deny certain citizens the right to vote, the right to a trial by jury, the right to not incriminate themselves, or subject them to warrantless searchs. Or at least the denial of all those would be theoretically subject to suit for denial of rights, home rule or no.

51 posted on 05/17/2002 9:30:49 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: LibertyRocks
Stanley criticized the court system, calling it "fascist."

He's an idiot.

52 posted on 05/17/2002 9:42:41 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
He's an idiot.

Um Roscoe, did you miss this little part of the article:

"Yes," said the city's attorney. "The Constitution has no force or effect in Denver, because this is a home rule city."

They aren't even hiding the fact that they are in complete disregard of the Constitution. Given that the Constitution is the charter that the people use to grant powers to government, just where does Denver derive its political power??? How could such a government be called just? Why shouldn't citizens call it like it is? Is it idiotic to even speak the naked truth?

Have you no limit to what you would tolerate without even a complaint? Roscoe, just how far would this city have to go to elicit a negative response from you? Cattle cars???

53 posted on 05/17/2002 9:52:18 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: LibertyRocks
The Judge is in error. From the Colorado Constutition, Article XX

The city and county of Denver shall alone always constitute one judicial district of the state.

As you can plainly see, the judicial district of Denver is part of the state of Colorado. The Constitution was created with the Enabling Act which was submitted to Congress for statehood. Further, Article XX was not ratified until 1902 (Colorado was admitted to the Union in 1900 - thus the Centinial State). It was at that time that "Home Rule" meaning limited self government was enacted.

Denver's home rule was CREATED by the Colorado Constitution and thus is subject to the CO Constitution, which was established during statehood and thus submitted under the US Constititution.

Man we have some dumb (and VERY liberal) Judges here in Colorado. During election years, I have adopted the practice of voting against every Judge on the ticket.

54 posted on 05/17/2002 9:59:01 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: freeeee
"Yes," said the city's attorney. "The Constitution has no force or effect in Denver, because this is a home rule city."

What Constitution do you think that is a reference to?

As I understand it, the Colorado state Constitution allows a "home rule city" to pass legislation in some cases more restrictive than state law.

55 posted on 05/17/2002 10:09:49 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: sneakypete
Actually, demographics have changed things so that now the suburbs dominate over Denver. Governor Owens is our first suburban Governor, a state of affairs I expect will hold for quite a while.

This report seems to be confusing some distinct issues. Colorado has general statutes that govern city administration unless the citizens vote for "home rule" and adopt a charter, in which case a number of the state rules can be altered. Denver in a home rule city.

No city, however, can opt out of the State or Federal Constitution. It appears that the judge simply ruled Denver's ordinance governing the carry of firearms constitutional under both Constitutions. I'm not saying I necessrily agree this is the proper interpretation, but it is in the mainstream of SCOTUS's longstanding interpretation of the Second Amendment.

56 posted on 05/17/2002 10:23:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Shooter 2.5
Please don't be upset because this is actually great news.

I see that this opens the door to appeal. I am ticked at the gall of Denver officials to prsume they are above the state and federal constitutions.

I am not holding my breath about the Colo supremes, either. But the game is on and we shall see.

FReegards

57 posted on 05/17/2002 12:19:07 PM PDT by MileHi
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bttt
58 posted on 05/17/2002 4:08:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: LibertyRocks
Guilty of excercising his Constitutional right.
59 posted on 05/17/2002 7:21:03 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Roscoe
the Colorado state Constitution allows a "home rule city" to pass legislation in some cases more restrictive than state law.

What's the point of declaring/defining/recognizing a RIGHT if any lower jurisdiction can revoke it?

60 posted on 05/17/2002 7:26:02 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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