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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

I am forced to pull rank here, sadly.

Nobody is forcing you to reply. Darn mysticism has you say that you're forced, right?

What rank? You are the self-proclaimed authority and your intent is to prove that by talking over my head? And then you can proclaim that it is my fault that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It is the author's job to be clear and unambiguous and talk at a level that the audience/reader can be expected to understand.

Most of your diatribe was over my head or just nonsensical and I doesn't matter one iota to me which it is. If it is the former you may puff your chest in awe of your command of the English language. You still have zero proof that there is a supernatural God. You have faith that there is a supernatural God, but not evidence.

The rhetorical maneuver of referring to theism as "mysticism" does not really do sound philosophical justice to the perennial matters at issue.

Then why do you refer to theism as mysticism? I never did and if that is what you assert then back up your claim by quoting me in context where I stated or implied that. Or was that just your way of constructing a straw man "argument"?

As for linking suicide with theism, that's quite ridiculously absurd.

The why do you do it? Because I surely never did. Why another straw-man "argument"? If you assert that I linked suicide with theism you had better back up that claim or admit that you are in error. Suicide is one effect of mysticism.

(JFYI, I'm not going to respond to any additional rhetorical attacks on theism or Christianity). Find somewhere else to play, please.

What rhetorical attack? I merely pointed out a few (there's many more) rather obvious analogies and used rhetoric to get the point across. Not to mention that I mixed religious analogies referring to not just Christianity but also the Qur'an. See for yourself...

 

To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Liberal culture is weird. It's like a cult because it is based on irrational emotions, delusional fantasies, an eccentric belief system built on guilt and desire for acceptance by "superiors."

Irrational emotions? Is that like feeling afraid of burning in hell or perhaps feeling joy about going to heaven to be met by seventy-one sole-eyed virgins?

Delusional fantasies? Is that like a person praying all their life and never having their prayers fulfilled yet believing that after their own death their prayers will be fulfilled by what they imagine heaven to be?

an eccentric belief system built on guilt and desire for acceptance by "superiors."

You must be talking about the innocent victims of priestly pedophilia that had a desire to be accepted by their superiors and thus permitted pedophile-priests to violate them... and then racked with guilt they couldn't come forth to press charges... least wise not until decades later.  Yep, that liberal culture sure is weird, isn't it?

130 posted on 5/17/02 1:07 AM Eastern by Zon


192 posted on 05/17/2002 12:00:28 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Zon, I wish you well. I know a little too much about the history of fallacies and the inherent contradiction of presenting metaphysical assertions about the ultimate nature of reality via some type of empirical science to assist in these digressions. This thread is about the Catholic crisis here in America anno Domini 2002, the 16th of May. There are plenty of sites, bulletin boards, and chat rooms which debate theism, Christianity, or Deism vs. a variety of neurotically oppositional-defiant atheist ideologies. I'm a Catholic who has had spiritual experiences which are valid for me. You are free to dislike that. And I wish you well in your philosophical quest. All of the forms of scientism, positivism, and materialism (which make claims about the ultimate nature, limits, and boundaries of reality)are based on ontological categories and presuppositions which cannot be demonstrated empirically. That's a well-known fact which professors of philosophy joked about in the 1930s. Check out Von Hayek's critical analysis of scientism. He's not a Catholic and he finds it GOOFY.
196 posted on 05/17/2002 12:10:44 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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