Replies

We'll fight it with more fire and determination than you can imagine. We care more about this issue than you do, and you will not prevail.

And after all the fuss, when the Dems start to get 90% of Hispanic votes, we will lose everything, and you will ultimately not prevail, and I'll be saying, "I told you so" with little satisfaction and a lot of anger.

Tom Tancredo, who you've been backing on this, favors a guest worker program. I'm sure the details can be worked out, but in that case, he sounds a heck of a lot like Poohbah in this.

The only thing I get is you're like a manager telling a pitcher with a two-run lead with two out in the bottom of the ninth in Game Seven of the World Series to throw a fastball down the middle to Barry Bonds because "you never walk in a run." Yeah, the pitcher stands up for principle, but it's very likely that Bonds ends the series with a homer, and the manager goes down as something besides principled.

Besides, you mentioned California... when was the last time the GOP won anything significant there? Sounds like there is little to lose on that front. I can tell a likely Dem state from a toss-up, and California's a state I wouldn't bank on if I were consulting a presidnetial candidate.

The fact is, you really don't have all that many cards to hold. You will try to take as many as you can? Like it will matter in a state the GOP lost by a million votes.

Bush pretty much proved in 2000 that it's possible to win the Presidency without California, so there's no big loss there. And, thanks to a lot of the stuff we're doing on other fronts, it looks as if other states could fall into the GOP column quite easily.

If you want to keep wasting energy on a fight you WILL lose, then be my guest. I'm sick of arguing anyhow. We'll get the best deal we can on this, then go back for more later. You, on the other hand, can enjoy the political wilderness.

Fear, fear, fear. You don't have to pander on Illegals to court the Hispanic vote. Your approach is both condescending and guilt-ridden.
And as for anger, when save it for those like yourself who simply won't take the high ground and speak the truth that most already know:
That anti-Illegal does not equal anti-Latino or racist.
That preening unwillingness always plays into the hands of the Democrats. Always.

Tom Tancredo, who you've been backing on this, favors a guest worker program. I'm sure the details can be worked out, but in that case, he sounds a heck of a lot like Poohbah in this.

I favor a guest worker program as well, always have. Down the road, I might even support increased immigration levels from Mexico.
But not until there's significant deportation of Illegals from the American interior. It's time the US gov made good on the promise of the '86 Amnesty.
Until then, there is no trust and there is no deal.

Besides, you mentioned California... when was the last time the GOP won anything significant there?

Let's see, that would be 1994, when our party fought the good fight against Illegals. Since then we've been led down the path of cowardice by the likes of Kemp, Bennett, Lundgren, and Bush, and have been decimated.
I guess we just haven't been obsequious enough.

Sounds like there is little to lose on that front. I can tell a likely Dem state from a toss-up, and California's a state I wouldn't bank on if I were consulting a presidnetial candidate.

We're losing our entire state because of politicians of both parties who are either too corrupt or too fearful to enforce our laws.

The fact is, you really don't have all that many cards to hold. You will try to take as many as you can? Like it will matter in a state the GOP lost by a million votes.

As long as you're counting, how many of those votes were cast fraudulently?
Take a look at the election of Loretta Sanchez. She won her first campaign with Illegally cast votes. The evidence was there, but Gingrich and the House Leadership caved in to the race-baiters on the Left and seated her. Then they refused to investigate.
The Democrats are now so emboldened that they take in hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes cast state wide every election.
Why don't the Republicans mount a national campaign against bilingual ballots and no ID requirements to register or to vote? In two years, why haven't we pushed a national offensive to clean up the phony names from the registration rolls?
At the L.A. Freepers meeting on Saturday, one member told of a house in his precinct with 60 registered Democrats at the address... All Latino. Why won't the RNC support the fight against this nonsense?
Why haven't we even attempted to reinstate the English-speaking requirements for citizenship that Clinton and Gore overturned?
Fear and fear alone. We might be called names.

Another bluff, huh?
If you really believe all of this, why are you so tireless in promoting this pandering?
Could it be because Bush won in 2000 by the narrowest of possible margins? Could it be that you know he doesn't have the votes to squander?

You are not even started with the arguing. Get used to it.
You are pushing a strategy that you've been warned will create schism in the party.
Yet you persist.
Yet you complain when the warning you won't heed blow up in your face?
I've been in the wilderness since '94 because of so-called "realists" like yourself. You are the ones that have brought us to this, but rather than summon up the courage of your convictions you want more of the same.
Why are you so hell-bent on fighting many in your own party on the wrong side of the issue, rather than fighting the Democrats on the right side of it?