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To: Sabertooth, pelham
Sorry, no one is advocating “doing nothing”, quite the contrary, and I am not afraid. Dick Morris has clearly outlined doing some positive things. But it is foolish to commit suicide by insisting that we deport all illegals. Winning this battle which will insure the Socialist Democrats win the next 10 elections is not a victory to me.

This idea that they will “deport themselves” is a theory (and in my opinion a fantasy). Perhaps they would just decide to go into hiding, lay low and find ways to survive and live here? What if they decide to take a chance and come back? What if people decide that it is better to hire low wage Mexicans and take their chances? What if this happens instead of your theory?

This sounds like drug and booze running to me, risk/reward. The result will be a police state, because to remove these folks requires identifying them, finding them, grabbing them, trying them, deporting them and making sure they do not come back. And because it must be done systematically and fairly, EVERYONE will have an ID, be subject to search, have their place of employment raided, face the “border police” and be in the database.

It will just never happen; the people will not allow it. Why don’t we work toward a true solution to the problem, integration, instead of the dead-end approach of deportation?

338 posted on 05/20/2002 8:25:30 AM PDT by schu
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To: schu; Victoria Delsoul; Pelham; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; harpseal; RonDog...
Sorry, no one is advocating “doing nothing”, quite the contrary, and I am not afraid. Dick Morris has clearly outlined doing some positive things. But it is foolish to commit suicide by insisting that we deport all illegals. Winning this battle which will insure the Socialist Democrats win the next 10 elections is not a victory to me.

Morris has outlined yet another scheme for defining deviancy down. That's playing on the Democrats turf, never a smart proposition for the GOP. We're better off when we act like Republicans without acting guilty about it.

It's foolish to say pursuing a policy favored by 70% of Americans in wartime is suicide. If the President and the Vichy Republicans would grow spines and make the case for deportation, Democrat opposition would wilt.... Just as it has throughout this war.

Quit cowering.

This idea that they will “deport themselves” is a theory (and in my opinion a fantasy). Perhaps they would just decide to go into hiding, lay low and find ways to survive and live here? What if they decide to take a chance and come back? What if people decide that it is better to hire low wage Mexicans and take their chances? What if this happens instead of your theory?

What you describe is the current status quo.

My "theory/fantasy" is that enforcing laws and punishing lawbreakers discourages lawlessness.

History suggests there is merit in the Rule of Law approach to governance.

This sounds like drug and booze running to me, risk/reward. The result will be a police state, because to remove these folks requires identifying them, finding them, grabbing them, trying them, deporting them and making sure they do not come back. And because it must be done systematically and fairly, EVERYONE will have an ID, be subject to search, have their place of employment raided, face the “border police” and be in the database.

You're crying wolf, so lets call your bluff. How many Illegals would you Amnesty annually? A million? 10 million? 20 million?

Unless you're an open-borders fanatic, you know full well you'd draw a line somewhere, and our real dispute is where to do it. I submit that another Amnesty now, just as the one I foolishly supported in '86, would invite yet another wave of Illegals. Then we'd be right back where we are now, but multiplied worse. All you're really advocating is abdicating our responsiblity until the problem gets so bad we finally have to deal with it anyway.

I've proposed a solution that promises to be largely self-enforcing, precluding the need for police state tactics. You advocate simple surrender, and call it a day.

So tell me, speaking of fantasies, how will letting the problem of Illegals grow far worse generate a "kinder, gentler" solution?

It will just never happen; the people will not allow it. Why don’t we work toward a true solution to the problem, integration, instead of the dead-end approach of deportation?

Don't kid yourself, deportation hasn't happened because corrupt Democrats and dilettante Republicans flaunt the will of the people.

You have less faith in the Ameriucan People than I do. Bipartisan malfeascence is the real dead-end.




339 posted on 05/20/2002 9:13:40 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: schu
This idea that they will “deport themselves” is a theory (and in my opinion a fantasy).

I'd be against the INS going door to door dragging people out of homes but I'm all for letting them deport themselves. When there are 5 families squeezed into a one-family housing project apartment, when any type of crime is committed, DWI, driving without insurance then we should deport them. We should also quit promising amnesty to people who don't respect our immigration law and get a lot tougher about breaking laws. Integration is out because Fox insists that they not integrate.

340 posted on 05/20/2002 10:24:23 AM PDT by FITZ
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