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To: Reagan Man
"You may consider that socialism, but you'd be wrong."

Here's a great point for debate; you want to restrict the meaning of the word to its political-economic sense, that of possessing the goods of society in common, or some variant thereof.

I choose to acknowledge its conceptual links with other 'ideals', in addition to the obvious.

Socialism, broadly conceived, is the notion that all human desires, rights, and ambitions must be subordinate to, and where possible in the service of, the whole of society rather than in the service of individuals.

This view could argue that modern socialism is an attempt by the fearful to re-create the holistic social order of the Middle Ages, in which your place in life was defined and immutable under ordinary circumstances. Many soi-disant conservatives on this site yearn for a type of social-moral solidarity that would only be possible under just such a feudal regime. They have 'bought into' the basic premise of the iron logic of socialism; namely that the new and improved modern state, born to this world through the travails of WWI, is a perfect vehicle for the social transformation of this imperfect world. Such is their vanity.

The intellectuals of the various factions of 'socialists' have been striving for supremacy ever since that awful French Revolution. First communists and socialists, and then post-WWI the fascists, national socialists and welfare statists, all were convinced that the 'liberal' model of society as developed in Britain and America and copied in many other countries was a failure. The success of the U.S. War Production Board, for example, in rationalizing and expediting the production and delivery of war materiel was taken as proof that planning was superior to market competition from both an efficiency and a humanitarian point of view. The tragedy of the 20th Century is that for decades, few people argued with this view.

Since WWI, the entire world has raced towards the ascendency of the one perfect socialist state, which will plan the whole world! We live in a world much more chaotic than the one Orwell prophesied, but the ominous tendency of mankind to facilitate these totalitarian dreamers is equally frightening. There is no doubt in my mind that the leading and most successful candidate for the socialist crown of this world is none other than the good old U.S. of A. And some of these aspiring 'vanguard elements' are as American as apple pie and are posting on this forum.

The vain ambition to make perfect this imperfect world is the true enemy of liberty...and Constitutional government.

"Vanity. All is vanity."

455 posted on 05/17/2002 3:58:10 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
''Vanity. All is vanity.''

it's odd you post that headsonpikes
cause for past few weeks it's been playing in my mind
I read the news, and that's how it seems to me now
Love, Palo
456 posted on 05/17/2002 4:03:45 PM PDT by palo verde
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To: headsonpikes; reagan man
Well said. -- Our 'reagan man' will not respond on point. --- Doesn't have the equipment.
463 posted on 05/17/2002 4:21:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: headsonpikes
bump. Not a bad post at all, imo.

Hardly 'crazy-wacko'....;^)

545 posted on 05/18/2002 6:43:25 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Post #455 bump.

"All is vanity."

548 posted on 05/18/2002 7:46:38 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: LiberteeBell
Check out this thread for an example of the widdle cwy-babie's debating methods. LOL!!

He flat out refuses debates of substance; i.e., where he can't use his collection of hackneyed sound-bites as a substitute for honest contention.

Honesty is a virtue these types are unacquainted with. They must think simple conformity suffices as a substitute for all the difficult bits of moral reasoning.

552 posted on 05/19/2002 6:03:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Do any of the conservative/socialist thinkers on this forum care to debate any of the points raised in my excellent post #455?

Standing by for substantive challenges.

565 posted on 05/20/2002 1:33:32 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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