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To: Eagle Eye
... the dictionary definition, it could easily be argued that conservatism would defend social security, and all manners of increased government involvement in our lives as THAT is the overriding tradition of the US government in the last century. But that is not the definintion of Conservatism I've always been acquianted with.

I guess, in that regard, anyone can theorize anything they want. In my book, being a conservative, is being opposed to everything that has happened since the 1930`s. I oppose everything from FDR`s New Deal socialism, to LBJ`s Great Society liberalism, to Clinton's "I Feel Your Pain" liarism. Conservatism doesn't mean, I want to throw America back in time, to the early days of its beginnings. Modern conservatism, isn't against government, its against the over taxation and the bloated federal bureaucracy. I believe the only way the system can be changed, is through the ballot box and through the election of more conservatives to public office.

You all can moan and groan all you want, about this and that, being anti-constitution and anti-founding fathers. It does absolutely, NO good. I repeat, it serves no good purpose. The only way to effect real change, is to face the facts, of the real world. Grab your political agenda, ideology, philosophy, or whatever and run run run, for public office. If you're fortunate enough to win victory, you'll then have the power, influence and opportunity to bring about the changes you support. Otherwise, without following this simple example, you're dead in the water and all you have is rhetoric to get your message out. Rhetoric only goes so far. Just ask Rush.

413 posted on 05/17/2002 1:37:51 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Rhetoric only goes so far. Just ask Rush.

Like it or not, we'd be United Socialist States of Amerika if not for Rush. How many elected office holders have had more infulence on the population than Rush?

414 posted on 05/17/2002 1:51:57 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Reagan Man
In my book, being a conservative, is being opposed to everything that has happened since the 1930`s. I oppose everything from FDR`s New Deal socialism, to LBJ`s Great Society liberalism, to Clinton's "I Feel Your Pain" liarism.

I agree with this. I've made the point in other threads, but it was the conservative Republicans who opposed the MJ Tax Act on the grounds it was unConstitutional. Nowadays there are people like yourself who call themselves conservative and go along with the socialist foolishness.

The GOPers who opposed FDR were right then, and their ideas are still true today. IMHO, one of the more constructive things we can do is encourage the President to appoint Clarence Thomas clones to the Supreme Court; I think he thinks like a New Deal-era conservative.

429 posted on 05/17/2002 2:27:36 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Reagan Man
The only way to effect real change, is to face the facts, of the real world.

It's amazing that YOU write statement like that, when you see the real world so poorly! You (properly) complain about the New Deal, the Great Society...but you don't see that those things were not merely bad ideas...they violated The Law! There is NO legitimate constitutional support for Social Security (New Deal) or Medicare/Medicaid (Great Society). There is NO legitimate constitutional support for the Department of Education (1960's?), the Department of Energy (Carter) etc. etc. etc.

ALL those things are not merely bad ideas, they are illegal. And just because the idiots in Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court don't see that...or you don't see that...does not make it any less true.

438 posted on 05/17/2002 2:47:19 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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