Posted on 05/16/2002 11:22:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man
I think you're the one with the poor eyesight. All you do is point fingers and incrimminate imperfect people who inhabite an imperfect system. At least there are people willing to put out the effort, to see that the system operates and functions. You offer no answers to the problems that America faces today, whether perceived or real. In that regard, you're nothing but a back-bench bomb thrower, without any ideas. A social malcontent, with an empty head.
You do? - How droll.
But there is no mystery to the answer. -- JR founded this site on the principle, much forgotten now, in all the partisan political bickering.
Constitutional restoration is the answer.
Society CAN change the rules, through its government. The Constitution gives Congress authority, to make and change the laws of the land, as they see fit. If you don't like the political makeup of the Congress, work to change the elected officiials who control it. I remind you, the Constitution isn't holy scripture. For the hundreth time, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment to create legislation or change existing law in America.
Of course it is. There is no good argument for ingesting illicit drugs and knowing your breaking the law, while doing it.
To love freedom and justice, and want it for oneself and ones fellow citizens is not immature
That's a long way from wanting to see illicit drugs legalized. Ingesting drugs like cocaine, heroin and marijuana, isn't a Constitutional right.
Like I said, growup already.
You can claim that "conservatism and libertarianism are both right" all you want. But, at the federal level, there is simply NO DOUBT. Conservatives (as in John-the-tyrant Ashcroft) are WRONG! (And I can't believe he doesn't know it. If he doesn't, he's an idiot.) There is NO authority, under the Constitution, for the FEDERAL government to criminalize the manufacture or possession of ANY drug.
Complete BS. Libertarians support the rule of law FAARRRRRR more than Republicans! It isn't even close!
Do you realize how absurd this sounds? I guess not.
It only sounds ridiculous to YOU, because you apparently know NOTHING of the positions of the Libertarian and Republican parties! Get a friggin' clue!
Social Security? Republicans for it, Libertarians would abolish it (just like the Founders).
Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare? Republicans for ALL of them, Libertarians would abolish ALL of them (just like the Founders!)
Federal ownership of land outside of Washington DC and military bases? Republicans for it, Libertarians would sell or give away EVERY SQUARE INCH of federal land outside Washington DC and military bases...JUST LIKE THE CONSTITUTION says!
Once again, since you seem so clueless: It is NOT EVEN CLOSE! Libertarians would cut the size of the federal government by 80-90%...and Republicans are making the federal government BIGGER! Do you not understand arithmetic???! We Libertarians REALLY want to take the federal government back to the size it was prior to the New Deal. You're absolutely INSANE if you think the Republican Party is interested in doing that!
Libertarians talk of dismantling the criminal justice system...
Complete BS. Prove it. Show me a Libertarian Party position that indicates something even CLOSE to "the criminal justice system should be dismantled." Again, that's BS. Protecting people from harm by other people is the ONE function of government, according to Libertarian principle.
...and abolishing victimless crimes,...
Yes, that would make a HUGE improvement in the criminal justice system! As Jefferson said, the proper function of government is to protect people from harm by others, and otherwise leave them to the own pursuits.
...as though crimes againmst society and government,
You are so clueless. Counterfeiting is a crime against (the federal) government. Libertarians absolutely support laws against counterfeiting. Treason is a crime against (the federal) government. Libertarians absolutely support laws against treason.
Violating (local/state) public health codes could reasonably be called a "crime against society" (it's much better to call it what it really is...a "crime against many individuals"). Libertarians absolutely support state and local public health laws (such as food preparation in sanitary conditions).
Jefferson said: "The fundamental principle of the government is that the will of the majority is to prevail."
Again, get a clue! He most certainly was NOT talking about a majority decision to deprive a person of Constitutional rights! There's a friggin' AMENDMENT process to do that! When the federal government has a law against me smoking crack (not that I'm interested even in smoking marijuana)...that is a violation of my RIGHTS, under the 10th amendment, to be free from federal government interference in that matter. There is NO WAY Jefferson was saying that a majority could legitimately vote to take away Constitutional rights! (Only a Constitutional amendment can do that!)
You (or friggin' John Ashcroft) want the FEDERAL government to criminalize drugs? Change the #$@% Constitution! Follow the @#$% law!
You're a born pessimist.
If I was "born" a pessimist, my extensive reading (of Julian Simon, among others) has made me quite optimistic. The entire course of history is headed towards Libertarianism. Like I said, Costa Rica just elected over 10 percent of their Congress with Libertarians. In the Netherlands, List Pim Fortuyn--the party in the Netherlands closest to Libertarians--has just scored a tremendous victory in elections...coming in essentially a 3-way tie for the 2nd largest party.
In the long run (50 years) essentially the whole planet will have moved dramatically towards Libertarianism. As it already has in the last 30 years, since our Party was founded. Because we Libertarians are right. About everything. The most efficient form of government is a government that protects people from harm by others, but otherwise leaves them alone. Simple economics shows that The People will tend towards the most efficient form of government. That's why so many economists (Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, James Buchanan, Milton Friedman, and others) are libertarians.
And what point is that, tpaine?
To be free from FEDERAL laws against ingestion of drugs like cocaine, heroin, and marijuana IS a Constitutional right! And one which can NOT be legitimately taken away by a simple vote of Congress. That right can only be legitimately taken away by a Constitutional amendment.
I "incrimate" criminals. The people who run our federal government are MASSIVELY violating The Law.
At least there are people willing to put out the effort, to see that the system operates and functions.
It "operates and functions" like the Mafia "operates and functions." I am spending quite a bit of both time and money to try to restore it to LEGAL functioning. And there's only ONE way to do that...to support Libertarians. (And at least one Republican..the Honorable Ron Paul of Texas.)
In that regard, you're nothing but a back-bench bomb thrower, without any ideas.
Oh, I've got ideas! To start, I'm going to turn Free Republic into a forum that true to its name: FREE...REPUBLIC. I'm figuring it will take me 6 months to a year, since there seems to be a solid minority here that is already there. But I may be too optimistic. There are a lot of folks here who support Republicans. :-(
Libertarians have been wrong about almost everything and on top of that, the Libertarian Party has been losing members for years. Take about being clueless. In the last general election, Harry Browne the Libertarian Party presidential candidate received 375,024 votes, or 0.367% of the total votes cast for president. Even old Pat Buchanan did better then that. Libertarianism is a political, societal and cultural failure and soon will be a footnote in the history books. When that happens, you'll really have something to whine about. LMAO.
Society CAN change the rules, through its government.
"Without amendment"? -- Do you enjoy making obviously inane comments? - Weird.
The Constitution gives Congress authority, to make and change the laws of the land, as they see fit.
Not on prohibitions without amendments. -- Again, your observations are simply ludicrous. Get real.
If you don't like the political makeup of the Congress, work to change the elected officiials who control it. I remind you, the Constitution isn't holy scripture.
Good grief, I never claimed it was 'scripture'. Your other platitude on congress is laughable.
For the hundreth time, it doesn't take a constitutional amendment to create legislation or change existing law in America.
Yep, that's about all you are capable of, in argument. -- You make multiple repetitions of obviously inane points.
You need rest.
Oh, I've got ideas!
Libertarians have no ideas. Libertarians have no political strategy and thereby, can't get elected to officies of public trust. The people don't trust libertarians. The Libertarian Party is void of any rational, logical or substantive ideas. The LP agenda is extremist.
Libertarianism is dead!
Well said. -- Our 'reagan man' will not respond on point. --- Doesn't have the equipment.
463 posted by tpaine | To 455 |
And what point is that, tpaine?
At post #455, HOS made a point, in a post to you.
-- You can't respond.
-- That is NOW the point.
Are you always this dense?
Your bullying and patronizing remarks;i.e., 'Grow up, already', are uncalled for.
You bluster and strut like a banty rooster...
and I suspect you have a similar ambition in life-- to be on top of the manure pile.
Sorry, Mr. Man, we don't want to live in your dungheap.
I think your arguments are empty and weak. You make the same rhetorical remarks, over and over and over, again and again and again. WOW. This is simple, the Constitution empowers Congress, to create legislation and/or change existing law in America. It's legal and its lawful.
You need a long rest. Take a nap now, you'll feel better.
I don't respond to sicko-wacko crazies.
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