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To: ctdonath2
The right to keep and bear arms is an immunity which does not flow from state citizenship, it flows from federal citizenship.

No source, of course.

John Adams never advocated that citizens be disarmed

The citizens of Colorado haven't been disarmed.

We are, of course, to act within the law, and to use arms outside the law will quickly destroy law & society - which is PRECISELY why gunowners are such a remarkably law-abiding bunch: they understand the power of arms.

Someone should point that out to Mr. Stanley, the convicted criminal who knowingly and deliberately acted in defiance of lawful regulation.

And would you also agree that much of the remaining sections have not been similarly ruled on primarily because the question hasn't reached SCOTUS?

The 14th Amendment was ratified July 9, 1868.

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." -- US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)

536 posted on 05/17/2002 8:56:14 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Sec. 242. - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

This section of USC clearly shows that the rights of United States citizens are protected by the the laws of the United States, not by the laws and governments of the several States as per Cruikshank.

That exceptional enough for you, Roscoe?

297 posted on 5/16/02 2:27 PM Pacific by lentulusgracchus

539 posted on 05/17/2002 9:13:11 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
No source, of course.

Hello! Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment?
Sorry, I thought it was so obvious and well-known that even you would have deduced it without me having to quote it every other post.

The citizens of Colorado haven't been disarmed.

They can't carry arms, right? That's what Stanley got convicted of doing, right?
Not allowed to carry arms = disarmed. Or is there some strange definition of "disarmed" which I am not aware of?

Someone should point that out to Mr. Stanley, the convicted criminal who knowingly and deliberately acted in defiance of lawful regulation.

If a city law contradicts/defies a state or federal constitutional law, is it valid? can/should someone be convicted of violating an unconstitutional (state or federal) law?

553 posted on 05/17/2002 10:18:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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