Gays defending faith and selves [Openly gay Diocese of Cleveland employee set to join Marianists]

Akron Beacon Journal ^ | May 13, 2002 | Jim Carney

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Has the shooting of an accused homosexual priest grabbed enough attention from the bishops and cardinals?

[Bohemund]

I've been through the Diocese of Galveston-Houston website and it looks clean.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

(trying that again):

Has the shooting of an accused homosexual priest grabbed enough attention from the bishops and cardinals?

[Diago]

Bishop Pilla needs to have zero tolerance for dissent! For instance, one of the most heretical groups in existance is FutureChurch, a group that is calling for women priestesses, among other things. And yet, the mailing address for FutureChurch is St. Mark's Parish in Cleveland:

From the Final Communque of the US Cardinals:

5) Given the doctrinal issues underlying the deplorable behavior in question, certain lines of response have been proposed:a) the Pastors of the Church need clearly to promote the correct moral teaching of the Church and publicly to reprimand individuals who spread dissent and groups which advance ambiguous approaches to pastoral care;

FutureChurch is one of these dissenting groups:

http://www.futurechurch.org/index.htm

FutureChurch
15800 Montrose Avenue
Cleveland, Ohio 44111 USA
Phone: 216.228.0869 | Fax: 216.228.4872
E-mail: info@futurechurch.org

http://www.cleveland.catholicnet.com/parish/stmark/

St. Mark Church
15800 Montrose Ave.
Cleveland, OH 44111
Rectory (216) 226-7577
E-mail: doughk@aol.com
Rev. Doug Koesel, Pastor

This is another scandal. I think one sign of good faith would be getting the homosexual, rainbow triangle off of the Diocese's website and then kicking FutureChurch off of Diocesan property. We will see what happens.

[Aquinasfan]

Part of the unfortunate he said/he said aspect of these horrible, appalling, and grotesque stories.

It should be a standing policy in the Church that private meetings behind closed doors should only be behind glass doors. Any meeting behind solid, closed doors would be automatically actionable.

One reason why confessionals were structured as they were was to limit the temptation for priests to get "too close" to women. Or too close to men, as the case may be.

[eastsider]

Here's a list of the states (and cities) with local Courage chapters:

Alaska (Anchorage)
Arizona (Phoenix; Tucson)
California (Orange County (Santa Ana); San Diego; San Francisco; Willets and Napa (Diocese of Santa Rosa)
Colorado (Denver)
Connecticut (New Haven)
Delaware (Wilmington)
District of Columbia
Florida (Jacksonville; Miami; Ocala (Diocese of Orlando); Plantation (Ft. Lauderdale); St. Petersburg)
Georgia (Dalton and Dunwoody (Diocese of Atlanta)
Illinois (Champaign (Diocese of Champaign); Chicago
Indiana (Tell City; South Bend)
Iowa (Iowa City)
Kentucky (Louisville)
Louisiana (Layfayette; New Orleans)
Maine (Springvale; Helene (Diocese of Portland))
Massachusetts (Cambridge/Boston; Chicopee (Diocese of Springfield); Fall River; New Bedford; Worcester)
Michigan (Grosse Point Farms and Wayne (Diocese of Detroit); Grand Rapids; Lansing
Minnesota (St. Paul; Minneapolis)
Missouri (St. Louis)
Nebraska (Lincoln; Omaha)
New Jersey (Montclair; Trenton; Bridgewater; Lambertville ((Diocese of Metuchen); Wenonah (Diocese of Camden)
New Mexico (Santa Fe; Gallup)
New York (Buffalo; Long Beach and Valley Stream (Diocese of Rockville Center); New York City; Middletown; Rochester; Syracuse; White Plains; Utica)
North Carolina (Carthage)
Ohio (Cincinnati; Steubenville; Toledo)
Oregon (Portland)
Pennsylvania (Erie; Harrisburg; Bethlehem/Allentown; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh)
Rhode Island (Providence)
South Carolina (Charleston)
Tennessee (Memphis)
Texas (Austin; Beaumont; College Station; Dallas/Fort Worth; Houston; Midland/Odessa; San Antonio)
Virginia (Virginia Beach)
Washington (Seattle)
West Virginia (Weirton)
Wisconsin (La Crosse; Milwaukee)

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Ironically...Shanley apparently used Confessionals for some of his assaults. That's how monstrous this beast is.

[eastsider]

Thanks, Bohemund.

[eastsider]

Prayer bump for Cleveland!

[eastsider]

Despite Dignity's being banned from celebrating the Eucharist in Roman Catholic churches, my initial checking on the Dignity website lists the following Catholic churches which hold Dignity Masses in violation of the ban:

Georgia: Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, Atlanta
Indiana: St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Church, Indianapolis
Michigan: St. Pius X Catholic Church, Milwaukee
New Mexico: Holy Family Catholic Church, Albuquerque

[eastsider]

BTW, the Dignity website lists 60 chapters in the following states:

Arizona
California
Colorado
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Indiana
Kentucky
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Missouri
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

Why are the bishops in these 31 states (plus D.C.) allowing their priests to celebrate the Eucharist for the members of Dignity, who are living openly and notoriously in sin? Check out Dignity's "Vision Statement":

Dignity/USA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.

Oh, yeah -- check out the rainbow stole! LOL : )

[eastsider]

Re #50, above. Milwaukee is in Wisconsin, not Michigan. Sorry. : )

[fatima]

Do you know who it is?

[aculeus]

Do you know who it is?

No. (I'm so not-Catholic that I can't even name more than two cardinals.)

[Diago]

The following is quoted from the November 20, 1998 issue of The Gay People's Chronicle, a weekly newspaper in Cleveland. [I saw this on the Roman Catholic Faithful site a while back - I believe Bishop Pilla finally has banned Dignity Masses from Church property.]

Bishop to preside at Dignity prayer service by Doreen Cudnik

Cleveland - The Most Rev. Anthony J. Pilla, bishop of Cleveland, [Pilla was past president of the National Conference of Bishops] will preside at Dignity Cleveland's 25th anniversary prayer service, to be held in the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist downtown.

Dignity invites all lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Catholics, their families and friends to join them...

The service is set for Friday, December 4, at 7 pm at the Cathedral, located on the corner of E. 9th and Superior Ave.

The prayer service will be followed by a reception with Bishop Pilla at 8 p.m. in the Rappe Room of the Catholic Center located on the Cathedral campus.

There will be a meeting on November 22, following Dignity Cleveland's monthly celebration of the Eucharist at the 10:30 a.m. Mass at Our Lady of Peace church at E. 125th Street & Shaker Boulevard, to discuss ways to make the December 4 prayer service a successful and spiritually moving event.

[fatima]

Can you keep me updated,if you see any more on this,Thanks,Betty

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Three suspects come to mind immediately, maybe four.

[eastsider]

From everything I've seen so far, Dignity/USA is highly organized and championed by the Jesuits (which is one of the reasons I find the Retreat at the Jesuit Retreat House in Parma that is still listed under "Upcoming Events" so suspect). Dignity/USA also has the backing of the secular gay activists, and continues to try slipping into Catholic churches through the back door with the unwitting (or perhaps not-so-unwitting) cooperation of people like Halderman.

I notice that Courage has three local chapters in Ohio: Cincinnati, Steubenville and Toledo. Are any of these cities in the diocese of Cleveland? If so, could the omission of Courage from the Diocese of Cleveland's "Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry" page -- like the inclusion of the secular rainbow banner and triangle -- be more of Halderman's work?

[eastsider]

Actually, I've already answered my own question here: Each of Cincinnati, Steubenville and Toledo is the seat of its own diocese.

[chatham]

Unless Catholics actually organize and take over their Local Dioceses and get rid of the charlatans in the Hierarchy, the church will slide over the edge into the abyss.

The Present problems in the Church are from Homosexual criminal priests who in their demented lifestyle abused and destroyed the lives of thousands of children.

All of the abuse was allowed by the inaction of the Hierarchy in charge, or because they were compromized and were subjected to blackmail and were by their own fault forced to go along.

If they Believe that Faithful Catholics can accept 60% of the Priests and Bishops being Homosexuals then there will have to be a split in the church.

One branch could be "The Roman Catholic Faithful".

The other Could be "The Roman Catholic? Homosexual".

In the mean time there is a guy who claims to be queer and he intends to be a priest and the rest of us will just have to put up with it.

There is no end to the insult these whackos will impose on the church. If I had to choose between A Catholic Church with 60% of the Priests to be Homosexual and No Church, I'd pick NO CHURCH.