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Celine Dion kills iMacs! (and Black markers and Post-it notes now illegal in the USA)
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Posted on 05/14/2002 7:48:28 AM PDT by Grig

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To: Utopia
Sorry, "Will not play on PC/Mac" won't cut it. A typical consumer would interpret that to mean "I put this disc in my computer by mistake, nothing will happen", not "I put this disc in my computer by mistake, it will break my computer".

Next time you're at the store, read a container of bleach, paint thinnner, etc. You'll see that the warning labels are much stronger than "Not Suitable For Human Consumption" -- and these are for products that everybody with a speck of common sense knows are poisonous. The warning on a so-called "compact disc" that fails to adhere to the book standard would need to be even stronger, since the damage they can do isn't (yet) a matter of common knowledge.

Sony might* escape a reaming in the courts if it placed a prominent warning on both the packaging and the disc itself stating something like "PLACING THIS DISC INTO A COMPUTER DISC DRIVE MAY DAMAGE YOUR COMPUTER EQUIPMENT". Of course, then people would be too afraid to buy it.

*Though in a world where you can sue because you spilled hot coffee on yourself, I wouldn't rely too heavily on it.

41 posted on 05/14/2002 9:28:27 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Grig
Who wrote this?

They find the line distant up to two centimeters from the outside edge. Draw now with the pin a tangential line, which covers the dividing line accurately, into which outside range project, but does not affect the last audio TRACK. A sticking tire helps as ruler.

Try the result out. If it did not fold, the line covers either the dividing line not completely or lies over the last audio trace - here geht's around tenths of a millimeter. Then you wipe away to the pro copying bars with a damp speed and correct after.

42 posted on 05/14/2002 9:28:52 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Utopia
Again, the applicable legal standard is what would be expected of a reasonable and prudent person. A resonable and prudent person wouldn't stick a piece of toast into a computer disc drive. A reasonable and prudent person could easily mistake this non-standard "CD" for an actual CD, and if he noticed the warning at all (how big is the print?) would reasonably assume that the worst that would happen is that the "CD" wouldn't play.

To pose an analogy, if I sold a brand of soda that would explode like a grenade if shaken and then opened, I'd expect huge civil and criminal liability once people started getting blown up. A warning label that said "Do Not Shake Before Opening" would not get me off the hook, because people would quite reasonablye assume that I was referring to the well-known tendency of soda to spurt out and make a mess under those conditions, and would have received no real warning of the actual risk.

43 posted on 05/14/2002 9:34:11 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Salgak
Your idea will work but depends upon the return policy of the shop. Most places that sell CD's only allow you to exchange opened CD's for another CD. But you could keep them going...
44 posted on 05/14/2002 9:35:57 AM PDT by DrDavid
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To: Utopia
Hot buttered toast if inserted into the CD tray will screw up the computer too

LOL!! Point taken! There is, however, a difference between inserting toast and inserting a CD that will toast your machine!

Seriously, Whether you are warned or not, the CD inserted should not damage the machine it is inserted in. Your child might not understand that inserting it will damage the computer, and since it is the right size, shape, color, and fits right nice in the tray. I liken it to placing a button on your machine that has a big WARNING label on it that says not to press, or it will bring physical damage to your machine.

Sooner or later, someone will press it. I have seen it.

45 posted on 05/14/2002 9:36:46 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel
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To: steve-b
Ah ... Its not a CD ... But then again, neither is hot buttered toast. Are you advocating new labels on all bread products as well?
46 posted on 05/14/2002 9:38:18 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Utopia
If it hoses up your computer, now thats a big deal!!!

So why put in your computer in the first place? Its not like you weren't warned! Hot buttered toast if inserted into the CD tray will screw up the computer too.... Also its not a good idea to water your plants over the keyboard ...

From a human engineering point of view, a CD tray is designed to hold, well, CD's, and not hot buttered toast. It is human nature that, if the CD fits, they'll stick it in without reading the warning label. For this reason, your keyboard connector has a substantially different design than the power cable.

It seems to me that Sony should be getting ready for a class-action lawsuit. A competent human engineering person (not I, who just took one class) could have a field day with the decision to design a product that is (at best) negligently damaging, and (at worst) intentionally damaging.

48 posted on 05/14/2002 9:43:03 AM PDT by Fudd
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To: Grig
This might also affect cd players with digital buffering, which includes most new car stereos.
49 posted on 05/14/2002 9:43:59 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Fudd
From a human engineering point of view, a CD tray is designed to hold, well, CD's, and not hot buttered toast. It is human nature that, if the CD fits, they'll stick it in without reading the warning label. For this reason, your keyboard connector has a substantially different design than the power cable.

Yes, from a computer point of view, SONY designed a product that may look like a CD, but as all the attributes of hot buttered toast when it comes to the computer. It is NOT a CD.

Sticking warning labels are probably as useful as "WARNING: Surgeon General has determined that smoking ... ". Why on earth anyone would want to put it in their computer is beyond me.

I resent this trend that exhonerates the consumer from everything and rewards stupidity. It only means that prices go up to pay for this nonsense.

51 posted on 05/14/2002 9:50:29 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: rintense
Because of the damaged computer or because of the poor taste in music?
52 posted on 05/14/2002 10:01:00 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
HAHAHAHA! Both!
53 posted on 05/14/2002 10:10:19 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Utopia
I doubt it.
54 posted on 05/14/2002 10:38:38 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Grig
When I got a copy of Disney's Atlantis on DVD, I had a problem with it playing on my DVD player. I don't know if it was copy protection, but I was able to call Disney at their 800#. Their customer service told me that many people had called in with problems playing the DVD, and that they were pressing copies that should work in my DVD player. I got the disc two weeks later, so now I have two copies of Atlantis--one that works and one that is a great coaster.

I would suspect that any record company would have the same attitude if someone called them and said "this CD won't play in my CD player." However, given Sony's dismal track record on customer support, I doubt this would be the case.

55 posted on 05/14/2002 10:55:48 AM PDT by AFLoggie
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To: Own Drummer
Anyone who listens to Celine Dion albums deserves whatever happens to them....

Ditto for anyone who owns a Mac. (I am s-o-o-o tired of Mac owners' self righteous sense of superiority.)

56 posted on 05/14/2002 11:33:39 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Utopia
Yes, from a computer point of view, SONY designed a product that may look like a CD, but as all the attributes of hot buttered toast when it comes to the computer.

And that's precisely why they will get in trouble, and why they will deserve it. Tort law (traditional tort law, not the modern lawsuit lottery) does not allow you to evade responsibility with "Simon Says" games.

57 posted on 05/14/2002 11:46:23 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: GirlyGirl
AHAHAHA! And I was thinking about buying her latest CD, but if she's going to treat copiers customers this way, I don't think I will buy her CD after all.
58 posted on 05/14/2002 11:46:43 AM PDT by DrDavid
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To: Grig
You still buy CDs?
59 posted on 05/14/2002 11:47:15 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Maceman
The reason why Apple users feel superior is because we are superior.
60 posted on 05/14/2002 11:53:09 AM PDT by born yesterday
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