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View for sale: $30,000 New owner of a lake fences it off when homeowners wouldn't pay.
St. Petersburg Times ^ | May 14, 2002 | ROBERT FARLEY

Posted on 05/14/2002 5:05:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Lazamataz
Imminent means that the domain is JUST about to happen. ;^)

Considering how much property the government owns already, and the fact that they seem to keep taking it at an ever-increasing pace, imminent might be more accurate.

202 posted on 05/14/2002 7:08:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Minnesoootan
You may just be taking the "victims" side on this one just to make the debate more interesting,but what we are dealing with isn't a "lake",it is a man made sewage runoff area probably created by the original developer to make the properties more desireable,and this man has the right to fill it in and develope it if he wishes.Suburbs here in the Twin Cities are full of these "lakes" and basically,they just plain smell bad and attract flocks of fowl urban geese(rats with wings)

They are popular in the Exurbs of Chicago as well, however, out our way these are not sewage runoff ponds, but rain retention ponds. The collar counties around Chicago have flooding problems and these ponds are meant to mitigate and control the problems. They don't have any odor and dogs seem to keep the geese at bay.

203 posted on 05/14/2002 7:09:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: You are here
Can I build one to keep your dog out?

Of course, But you can't build it for the express purpose of hurting my resale value or to punish me because I didn't give you money. You can't come to me and say "If you don't give me $30k, I'll put a car dump in my backyard".

Let's say I own a fruit orchard. The surrounding properties sell for decent prices, because the owners are able to slip in at night and steal my apples and plums. I erect a fence, "to hurt" their "resale value" (since that's exactly what will happen if they are no longer able to enjoy MY property). Do they have just cause to compel me to tear down the fence? I guess you would say they did!

Your neighbors are stealing your property. If I can see your house, I am not stealing your house. If I can see your car, I am not stealing your car. If I can see your lake, I am not stealing your lake.

204 posted on 05/14/2002 7:09:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
So he can dump motor oil into the lake if he wishes?

Is he allowed to or should he be able to? The government has the power and the guns to make him refrain from that, but it isn't his property if he isn't allowed to destroy the value of it.

You are right about one thing, there is no private property in this country.

205 posted on 05/14/2002 7:09:26 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: You are here
They are bitching because they can't enjoy HIS property!

But he is NOT enjoying his property. He is enjoying spoiling their enjoyment and trying to extort money from them.

206 posted on 05/14/2002 7:09:30 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: AppyPappy
You can do what you wish with your property but not to hurt your neighors enjoyment of their property.

But that is exactly what the guy did. He built a fence because he can enjoy his property better that way (i.e., sell it for more money). Those folks do not own the lake, they have no right to a view of it, period. Several other plausible reasons for the fence have been given, but really aren't ncecessary. These folks had free enjoyment of the lake, now if they want to keep it, they have to pay. It's called the free market.

It's not extortion in any way. They can purchase the land or they cannot purchase the land. For sure, they have no right wahtsoever to land they do not own, nor a right to a view of land they do not own.

208 posted on 05/14/2002 7:10:16 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: You are here
If I can see your orchard, that doesn't mean I am stealing it.
209 posted on 05/14/2002 7:11:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Bikers4Bush
I know the laws differ from state to state but I'm still of the opinion that there should be some type of legal relief for these folks.

There is. Condemnation under Eminent Domain laws, turn the property into a town park, turn a blind eye towards the owners using the land.

If I was a lawyer, I would make it a point to help these people.

210 posted on 05/14/2002 7:11:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: A. Pole
But he is NOT enjoying his property. He is enjoying spoiling their enjoyment

Right, spoliong their enjoyment of HIS property. They have no right to enjoyment of someone else's property.

211 posted on 05/14/2002 7:11:11 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The guy is slime. However, when I read the article one of the first thoughts to cross my mind was, "I need to start reading those legal notices so I can get in on this racket". Come on, admit it: The same thought crossed some of your minds also.
213 posted on 05/14/2002 7:11:59 AM PDT by arm958
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To: freedomcrusader
For sure, they have no right wahtsoever to land they do not own, nor a right to a view of land they do not own.

You are accurate. AppyPappy is just plain old wrong here. There are remedies, but his are non-starters.

214 posted on 05/14/2002 7:12:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: AppyPappy
If I can see your lake, I am not stealing your lake.And if I prevent you from seeing my lake, I am stealing your view of it.
215 posted on 05/14/2002 7:12:18 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: freedomcrusader
He didn't do it to enjoy his property. He did it to extort money. He can't say "If you don't pay me $30k, I'll dump raw sewage into the lake.".
216 posted on 05/14/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: freedomcrusader
Whoops. I meant to say: "Amd if I prevent you from seeing my lake, I am NOT stealing your view of it."
217 posted on 05/14/2002 7:13:15 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: AppyPappy
If I can see your house, I am not stealing your house. If I can see your car, I am not stealing your car. If I can see your lake, I am not stealing your lake.

However, if you photograph me, you are stealing my soul.

218 posted on 05/14/2002 7:13:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Bikers4Bush
That was my thought exactly. Tax him at the market value.
219 posted on 05/14/2002 7:13:29 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: freedomcrusader
And if I prevent you from seeing my lake, I am stealing your view of it.

This is not pertinent or important to this case.

220 posted on 05/14/2002 7:14:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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