[RnMomof7]

Man cannot be perfectly obedient to God, but that is not the same as saying that a man is incapable of any good. There are many 'good' men who are not Christians. Unfortunately for them, the standard is not based on a degree of goodness, it is based on perfection, a standard only Christ could and has met. Without Christ, none can be saved.

So Christ was a liar then huh?

[connectthedots]

So Christ was a liar then huh?

Exactly what did I write that would lead you to ask such a question? If I recall an earlier post of yours, I think you mentioned that your knowledge of Calvinism is based on FR threads on the subject, which in turn is based on the comments of Calvinists who posted them. Maybe you ought to read Calvin's Institutes or other Calvinist literature for yourself. I did refer you to Palmer's The Five Points of Calvinism. Lest you think Palmer might be some sort of Calvinist extremist, Palmer is the man who headed up the multi-denominational effort that produced the NIV Bible. He also headed up the effort to produce the NIV Study Bible, which was dedicated to him (he passed away just prior to the completion of that effort). Here is a very short excerpt from Palmer's book: "He (a Calvinist)realizes that what he advocates is rediculous...In the face of all logic, the Calvinist says that if man does anything good, God gets all the glory; and if man does anything bad, man gets all the blame. Man can't win.

Now if a pre-eminent Calvinist like Palmer admits that Calvinism defies all logic, how is it that the Calvinist is so sure that Calvinism is true? Is God a God of Love or Hate? Is God a God of order or disorder? Is God a God of reason or unreason?

Here is another quote from Palmer:

"This means that although man is totally depraved and unable to believe, and that although faith is a gift of God produced by the irresistable work of the Holy Spirit, nevertheless, it is up to man to believe. He as a duty to obey God's command to believe."

Man is unable to believe, yet man is commanded to believe and it is a man's fault if he doesn't believe?

I am the first to agree that man connot know the complete will and mind of God, but I do not think for a second that God wishes that man simply ignore all rational thought and logic to believe something that cannot possibly be reconciled. It is as if the Calvinist is saying that a logical explanation must be inferior to an illogical explanation.

If a lack of logic is evidence of Biblical truth, it would seem to me that Mormonism must be true since it is far more illogical than Calvinism. In other words, lack of logic cannot be used as evidence for the truth.