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To: RnMomof7
The problem with the world is not too little free will but to much...JM none of us has a toally free will..our wills all work freely withing a given set of choices. What kind of choice to we have if God already knows your choice? Do you really think you have absolute free choice now?

Did you select your parents, the place of your birth? Your race or sex? Your intellect? Your parents financial situation? Our live choices are limited by the circumstances of our birth..If you had been born in the bush in africa you would not be posting on FR right now most likely..

I am not arguing that God created me with his choices of ethnicity and temperment in mind. I am arguing specifically that God emptied Himself on the cross for each individual--everyone. No one being exempt. Exclusion is human in nature. The concept of playing favorites with some, while the rest are damned is most definately human, not Divine. The nature of divinity is wrapped in the concept of love and mercy--so infinite that the human mind cannot conceive it.

145 posted on 05/14/2002 7:10:10 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I am not arguing that God created me with his choices of ethnicity and temperment in mind. I am arguing specifically that God emptied Himself on the cross for each individual--everyone. No one being exempt. Exclusion is human in nature. The concept of playing favorites with some, while the rest are damned is most definately human, not Divine. The nature of divinity is wrapped in the concept of love and mercy--so infinite that the human mind cannot conceive it.

See I think this is where we may get into Protestant/Catholic theology more than Calvinism/Arminism...Most Protestants would not accept a Universal atonment. We may disagree with the how..but we would agree that Christs death on the cross while sufficent for all is only effective for those that come to the cross.

So I have to ask you if you believe that everyone alive or that has ever lived will go to heaven...or do you believe that there are conditions to be saved? (Just trying to figure out the differences of language here JM)

152 posted on 05/14/2002 7:33:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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